Russia - worrying?

[David1819]

       Your final "point" in your incoherent chunter was just to mention a series of murdered or allegedly poisoned Russians and the accompanying rather obvious Western Intel bullshit where we are to believe that Putin orders all the murders of Russians from his Black Sea Supervillain home.
     

Do you believe two decorated GRU veterans used fake names and fake passports just so they could fly over here to see Salisbury Cathedral one weekend as they claim?

[gringo]

Do you believe two decorated GRU veterans used fake names and fake passports just so they could fly over here to see Salisbury Cathedral one weekend as they claim?

    Who cares whether or not that is true? Only the gullible consider that a relevant question.
    The amount of holes, contradictions and obvious lies in the official version of events make it plain that they were not here to murder the Skripals with the world's most lethal nerve agent either.
    A nerve agent so deadly it killed no-one? It remained almost "pure" despite allegedly being left exposed for days on the door knob of the Skripals home?( Which inexplicably led to the entire roof being removed and replaced due to contamination. All hidden from view under protective screens. The door remained in place  )
    After applying the deadly nerve agent ( a gel, allegedly via aerosol? from a perfume bottle supposedly discovered months later which our intrepid Russian poisoners had resealed in its box and plastic wrapping  ) our highly trained GRU assassins went to do some shopping in Salisbury where they are seen a number of times on CCTV 
    Is it believable that our two Russian agents after carrying out a chemical weapons attack in a foreign state( a clear act of war, it should be noted) instead of immediately getting the fuck out of Dodge instead went window shopping? It is embarrassing to fall for this shit.
    Anyway back to the unconvincing, made up on the hoof by idiots as they went along, story of our highly trained (but inexplicably inept) GRU assassins and their world's most deadly( but strangely ineffective) nerve agent.
    After smearing the door knob (unseen despite CCTV at the Skripals) Sergei and Yulia both allegedly touched the door knob in order to become contaminated with the WMDNA and then went for a drive, a drink and then something to eat. Luckily, no one else was contaminated by the WMDNA, despite the Skripals being in very public places. Some 4 hours after contacting the WMDNA both Yulia and Sergei succumbed simultaneously to similar symptons outside the restaurant where they had just eaten.
    By serendipitous coincidence the first responder on the scene of this WMDNA attack just happened to be British Army Most Senior Nurse, Colonel Alison McCourt. She gave first aid without becoming contaminated but she probably knew some magic tricks, especially with her being a specialist in chemical weapons,  and still at that time taking part in Chemical Weapons exercise, Toxic Dagger, at Porton Down just 8 miles away. Check it out yourself. How lucky for the Skripals. Anyway our GRU poisoners were still window shopping in Salisbury just 500 yards away at this time.
     The two, not dead, victims of the WMDNA attack are unheard from and  consular access denied to Russia by the UK to Yulia who herself expressed a wish to return to Russia in her sole(stage managed by UK intel) appearance since their disappearance. If Russia were denying access to the UK in a roles reversed situation then opprobrium would be huge and rightly so. Yulia is a Russian citizen. The UK gov need to prove that Yulia has free will. Sergei also, but Yulia is not convicted of anything and is a Russian citizen. To all appearances she is being held, against her will, by the UK gov.
     There are reams of commentary on the available facts that make a mockery of the official position. The above does not remotely slightly mark, never mind scratch the surface of the holes and contradictions in the UK chemical attack tall tale. For those interested in attempting to get to the truth of the Salisbury incident, there are many excellent sites that covered this(the Blogmire https://www.theblogmire.com/category/skripal-case/ my personal favourite) and some really interesting questions to delve into. David's question doesn't even come up.
     
     

[David1819]

    Who cares whether or not that is true? Only the gullible consider that a relevant question.
    The amount of holes, contradictions and obvious lies in the official version of events make it plain that they were not here to murder the Skripals with the world's most lethal nerve agent either.
    A nerve agent so deadly it killed no-one? It remained almost "pure" despite allegedly being left exposed for days on the door knob of the Skripals home?( Which inexplicably led to the entire roof being removed and replaced due to contamination. All hidden from view under protective screens. The door remained in place  )
    After applying the deadly nerve agent ( a gel, allegedly via aerosol? from a perfume bottle supposedly discovered months later which our intrepid Russian poisoners had resealed in its box and plastic wrapping  ) our highly trained GRU assassins went to do some shopping in Salisbury where they are seen a number of times on CCTV 
    Is it believable that our two Russian agents after carrying out a chemical weapons attack in a foreign state( a clear act of war, it should be noted) instead of immediately getting the fuck out of Dodge instead went window shopping? It is embarrassing to fall for this shit.
    Anyway back to the unconvincing, made up on the hoof by idiots as they went along, story of our highly trained (but inexplicably inept) GRU assassins and their world's most deadly( but strangely ineffective) nerve agent.
    After smearing the door knob (unseen despite CCTV at the Skripals) Sergei and Yulia both allegedly touched the door knob in order to become contaminated with the WMDNA and then went for a drive, a drink and then something to eat. Luckily, no one else was contaminated by the WMDNA, despite the Skripals being in very public places. Some 4 hours after contacting the WMDNA both Yulia and Sergei succumbed simultaneously to similar symptons outside the restaurant where they had just eaten.
    By serendipitous coincidence the first responder on the scene of this WMDNA attack just happened to be British Army Most Senior Nurse, Colonel Alison McCourt. She gave first aid without becoming contaminated but she probably knew some magic tricks, especially with her being a specialist in chemical weapons,  and still at that time taking part in Chemical Weapons exercise, Toxic Dagger, at Porton Down just 8 miles away. Check it out yourself. How lucky for the Skripals. Anyway our GRU poisoners were still window shopping in Salisbury just 500 yards away at this time.
     The two, not dead, victims of the WMDNA attack are unheard from and  consular access denied to Russia by the UK to Yulia who herself expressed a wish to return to Russia in her sole(stage managed by UK intel) appearance since their disappearance. If Russia were denying access to the UK in a roles reversed situation then opprobrium would be huge and rightly so. Yulia is a Russian citizen. The UK gov need to prove that Yulia has free will. Sergei also, but Yulia is not convicted of anything and is a Russian citizen. To all appearances she is being held, against her will, by the UK gov.
     There are reams of commentary on the available facts that make a mockery of the official position. The above does not remotely slightly mark, never mind scratch the surface of the holes and contradictions in the UK chemical attack tall tale. For those interested in attempting to get to the truth of the Salisbury incident, there are many excellent sites that covered this(the Blogmire https://www.theblogmire.com/category/skripal-case/ my personal favourite) and some really interesting questions to delve into. David's question doesn't even come up.
     
   

Its a simple yes or no answer Gringo. But as expected you wont answer it because -

Answering Yes would make you look either stupid or dishonest and answering No would contradict your entire warped world view.  And to nobodies surprise you write a long winded word salad with links to some conspiratards blog instead. 

[David1819]

After smearing the door knob (unseen despite CCTV at the Skripals) Sergei and Yulia both allegedly   

What is your source for there being CCTV coverage at the Skripals front door?

[David1819]

Gingo asks how did the Scripals manage to go for a meal despite already having touched the contaminated door handle.

The Skripals were exposed to an Acetylcholinesterase inhibitor in liquid form. Liquid nerve agents can take a few minutes to several hours to start working. Novtchok and VX are both the same classes of nerve agent. So I make an educated guess that the same applies for liquid forms that take time to metabolise through the skin.

"Symptoms will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of VX, and within a few minutes to up to 18 hours after exposure to the liquid form."

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/vx/basics/facts.asp


Gringo then asks how comes nobody else got effected despite being in close proximity. The answer is simple, they would not have aquired an adequate dose (as intended) this explains why the only victim who died is the one who sprayed it on herself thinking it was perfume.

"The dose makes the poison

One of the fundamental principles of toxicology was first proposed by a 16th century alchemist, known as Paracelsus, who is often credited with the statement “sola dosis facit venenum”, or “the dose makes the poison”. It means that all substances are capable of being toxic if administered in a sufficient dose. This applies to normally innocuous chemicals such as water, as well as highly toxic materials such as nerve agents."


https://theconversation.com/novichok-how-are-victims-surviving-poisoning-145574

Gringo then asks how comes the Scripals survived? Answer is simple, they received medial help. Antidotes are well know and well kept by medical staff.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15862082/


Now that I have answered three questions. Hopefully now Gringo will answer my questions

About whether he believes two decorated GRU veterans used fake names and fake passports just so they could fly over here to see Salisbury Cathedral one weekend as they claim.

I would also like an explanation of why they didn't actually book a tour of the Cathedral since none of the staff reported seeing them in or outside the Cathedral. And what they were actually doing there that day.

Whether Gringo thinks these questions are relevant or not, they seem very important to me and I anticipate his answers.

[gringo]

Its a simple yes or no answer Gringo. But as expected you wont answer it because -

Answering Yes would make you look either stupid or dishonest and answering No would contradict your entire warped world view.

     Do you understand basic inference?
     I stated at the very beginning of my post.
    "Who cares whether or not that is true? Only the gullible consider that a relevant question.
    The amount of holes, contradictions and obvious lies in the official version of events make it plain that they were not here to murder the Skripals with the world's most lethal nerve agent either."

     Note the word "either" at the end of that sentence. Your question was answered at the very beginning. To be clear, although it was already to those who understand inference, No.
     Nor do I believe that they were there to carry out a chemical weapons attack. That could and should have been easily inferred by use of the word "either".
     My initial response was just to write the single word, "no", but I thought I would take the opportunity afforded by your dumb and irrelevant question to pose some better ones and signpost the way to Salisbury resident and blogger Rob Slane's excellent website and archive of the ever evolving story.
     The signposting isn't for you, David. Your world view would be hung, drawn and quartered with the entrails displayed publicly. It is for those of a more questioning nature who are perhaps unaware of the rolling reporting from Salisbury from Rob Slane via his blog. Lots of comments and excellent collaboration with an army of informed questioning commenters, largely locals. Here it is again
    https://www.theblogmire.com/category/skripal-case/

   There you go, David. Answering No to your stupid question has zero effect on my "warped world view" because it's a stupid question. By answering the way I did (which means no in case it isn't clear enough still for David with his comprehension problems) the interested are probably now checking out the more relevant questions via the Blogmire.
   

[gringo]

Gingo asks how did the Scripals manage to go for a meal despite already having touched the contaminated door handle.

The Skripals were exposed to an Acetylcholinesterase inhibitor in liquid form. Liquid nerve agents can take a few minutes to several hours to start working. Novtchok and VX are both the same classes of nerve agent. So I make an educated guess that the same applies for liquid forms that take time to metabolise through the skin.

"Symptoms will appear within a few seconds after exposure to the vapor form of VX, and within a few minutes to up to 18 hours after exposure to the liquid form."

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/vx/basics/facts.asp


Gringo then asks how comes nobody else got effected despite being in close proximity. The answer is simple, they would not have aquired an adequate dose (as intended) this explains why the only victim who died is the one who sprayed it on herself thinking it was perfume.

"The dose makes the poison

One of the fundamental principles of toxicology was first proposed by a 16th century alchemist, known as Paracelsus, who is often credited with the statement “sola dosis facit venenum”, or “the dose makes the poison”. It means that all substances are capable of being toxic if administered in a sufficient dose. This applies to normally innocuous chemicals such as water, as well as highly toxic materials such as nerve agents."


https://theconversation.com/novichok-how-are-victims-surviving-poisoning-145574

Gringo then asks how comes the Scripals survived? Answer is simple, they received medial help. Antidotes are well know and well kept by medical staff.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15862082/


Now that I have answered three questions. Hopefully now Gringo will answer my questions

About whether he believes two decorated GRU veterans used fake names and fake passports just so they could fly over here to see Salisbury Cathedral one weekend as they claim.

I would also like an explanation of why they didn't actually book a tour of the Cathedral since none of the staff reported seeing them in or outside the Cathedral. And what they were actually doing there that day.

Whether Gringo thinks these questions are relevant or not, they seem very important to me and I anticipate his answers.

    They aren't relevant and your answers are moronic and are just the repeated and discredited claims of the UK gov. Given your inability to grasp basic inference, I have little confidence in your ability to ask or answer anything of relevance.
     They were treated initially for fentanyl overdose, incidentally. They weren't given antidotes allegedly until much later. Do some reading.

[David1819]

Its a simple yes or no answer Gringo. But as expected you wont answer it because -

Answering Yes would make you look either stupid or dishonest and answering No would contradict your entire warped world view.

     Do you understand basic inference?
     I stated at the very beginning of my post.
    "Who cares whether or not that is true? Only the gullible consider that a relevant question.
    The amount of holes, contradictions and obvious lies in the official version of events make it plain that they were not here to murder the Skripals with the world's most lethal nerve agent either."

     Note the word "either" at the end of that sentence. Your question was answered at the very beginning. To be clear, although it was already to those who understand inference, No.
     Nor do I believe that they were there to carry out a chemical weapons attack. That could and should have been easily inferred by use of the word "either".
     My initial response was just to write the single word, "no", but I thought I would take the opportunity afforded by your dumb and irrelevant question to pose some better ones and signpost the way to Salisbury resident and blogger Rob Slane's excellent website and archive of the ever evolving story.
     The signposting isn't for you, David. Your world view would be hung, drawn and quartered with the entrails displayed publicly. It is for those of a more questioning nature who are perhaps unaware of the rolling reporting from Salisbury from Rob Slane via his blog. Lots of comments and excellent collaboration with an army of informed questioning commenters, largely locals. Here it is again
    https://www.theblogmire.com/category/skripal-case/

   There you go, David. Answering No to your stupid question has zero effect on my "warped world view" because it's a stupid question. By answering the way I did (which means no in case it isn't clear enough still for David with his comprehension problems) the interested are probably now checking out the more relevant questions via the Blogmire.
   

The conspiratard running Blogmire is not going to bring up my questions because the author has no explanation that is coherent with with the conspiracy theory he is writing about. Conspiratard authors  always construct their writing with a narrow scope of information consisting of nothing but inconsequential facts, unsubstantiated claims, wild guesses and ought right lies.

I have already answered enough of the what you have brought up. In having a civilized debate its only fair you now answer mine.

[David1819]

Its a simple yes or no answer Gringo. But as expected you wont answer it because -

Answering Yes would make you look either stupid or dishonest and answering No would contradict your entire warped world view.

     Do you understand basic inference?
     I stated at the very beginning of my post.
    "Who cares whether or not that is true?   

I care (obviously) since I am asking. When do you intend on answering?

[gringo]

The conspiratard running Blogmire is not going to bring up my questions because the author has no explanation that is coherent with with the conspiracy theory he is writing about. Conspiratard authors  always construct their writing with a narrow scope of information consisting of nothing but inconsequential facts, unsubstantiated claims, wild guesses and ought right lies.

I have already answered enough of the what you have brought up. In having a civilized debate its only fair you now answer mine.

   You don't even debate let alone debate civilly. Everyone who challenges your BBC/Foreign Office approved world view is a Conspiritard. This is your answer to everything. As a consequence I will post answers to the questions that I see fit to engage with. Yours aren't fit for purpose and can be safely talked past and ignored.

[gringo]

I care (obviously) since I am asking. When do you intend on answering?

   Are you really this thick? or is this a poor attempt at a joke?

[David1819]

   You don't even debate let alone debate civilly. Everyone who challenges your BBC/Foreign Office approved world view is a Conspiritard. This is your answer to everything. As a consequence I will post answers to the questions that I see fit to engage with. Yours aren't fit for purpose and can be safely talked past and ignored.

Refusing to answer questions will do you no favours. It only demonstrates you are in denial or unwilling to accept you are (once again) wrong.

Q: Do you believe two decorated GRU veterans used fake names and fake passports just so they could fly over here to see Salisbury Cathedral one weekend as they claim? Yes or No?

Q: Why did they not book an interior tour of the Cathedral they allegedly so wanted to see?

Q: If they didn't actually visit the Cathedral as claimed what were they actually doing and why did they need a cover story?

Q: What is your source for the Scipals house being under CCTV?

[David1819]

   Are you really this thick? or is this a poor attempt at a joke?

Do you believe two decorated GRU veterans used fake names and fake passports just so they could fly over here to see Salisbury Cathedral one weekend as they claim? Yes or No?

It only takes two seconds to type "yes" or "no" you can do it Gringo be brave 

[Roch]

Everyone who challenges your BBC/Foreign Office approved world view is a Conspiritard.

David, this is pretty accurate 

[Steve_uk]

Gringo do you know Tony Kevin by any chance..https://youtu.be/XpMNoeIuEys