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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #630 on: September 23, 2021, 08:30:PM »
   It is the colonialist mentality that they don't even acknowledge they hold, Roch. They are fretting (they imagine with independent thought) about the very things that their Imperial masters tell them to worry about.
      Russia bad, smaller economy than Italy, over dependent on gas, dictatorial, Iran bad, blah blah. They do as they are told and imagine that they are independent free thinkers.
Well I am an independent free thinker. This is modern China: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/262405115777116497/

The country is No. 100 on purchasing power parity (PPP) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Iran is a sponsor of Hezbollah. Some of us recall the 1983 Beirut bombings. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/beirut-barracks-blown-up

Don't give me the mantra that China and Russia are the future. Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, Alexander Navalny, the Skripal poisonings. You really are in denial if you don't see the pattern.
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« Reply #632 on: September 23, 2021, 11:19:PM »
Well I am an independent free thinker. This is modern China: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/262405115777116497/

The country is No. 100 on purchasing power parity (PPP) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Iran is a sponsor of Hezbollah. Some of us recall the 1983 Beirut bombings. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/beirut-barracks-blown-up

Don't give me the mantra that China and Russia are the future. Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, Alexander Navalny, the Skripal poisonings. You really are in denial if you don't see the pattern.
   Independent free thinker are you Steve? You can discern all you need to know about "Modern China" from some pinterest pictures of workers napping. Do you know what confirmation bias means?
      Your claim that China is No. 100 on PPP due to your reliance on Wikipedia is easily debunked. Here is a link which helpfully gives the rankings according to the IMF and the World Bank who I am sure you will agree are a more reliable source. The CIA world handbook also agrees with this. China No.1
     https://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-gdp-ppp.php

     Hezbollah are regarded as a legitimate resistance against Israeli aggression in Lebanon and if you remember the Beirut barrack bombings (I know that you don't and it is something that came up on your google confirmation bias search) then you would also recall the massacre at Shabila Refugee camp in Lebanon the previous year when up to 3,500 Lebanese Shia and Palestinian refugees were slaughtered with the active connivance of the IDF and the Multinational Forces( those who were bombed the next year in the only bit that you allegedly "recall"). These are not the only events in Lebanon during that volatile time (an ongoing civil war and an invasion by Israel). The Israeli invasion being the catalyst of Hezbollah forming.
     The Beirut barrack bombings didn't happen in a vacuum. If you don't know the history and context of events it is best to say nothing otherwise everyone else can tell that you don't really know what your talking about. You lack the knowledge to form any kind of coherent argument and it shows in your context-less and information free posts.
     Your final "point" in your incoherent chunter was just to mention a series of murdered or allegedly poisoned Russians and the accompanying rather obvious Western Intel bullshit where we are to believe that Putin orders all the murders of Russians from his Black Sea Supervillain home.
     I follow studiously, and have done for decades, geopolitics/world events. You are way out of your depth and it is obvious that your interest in world events amounts to whatever you are told to think by a remarkably uniform Western media. You do no other reading, you have no long term interest and you attempt to enter debates with this pathetic level of knowledge and the results of a google search which seems to confirm your obvious bias. You are completely unaware of any arc of history and just see a series of random events.
     I could talk without notes for hours linking those narratives that have happened over the last 30 years.
     You are a not very bright bootlicker who would run out of things to say after 30 seconds. Even that would be incoherent.
     I am not even going to waste my time responding to any more of your bullshit and will talk past anything that you post as it is unworthy of any debate. You have nothing to say.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #633 on: September 24, 2021, 12:25:AM »
    Viewing the last 30 years or so as part of an ongoing historical narrative, the huge changes in the balance of world power are clear to see and undeniable. The adage that "history never repeats but it often rhymes" was never more apt.
    Our frame of easy reference begins with the Soviets finishing withdrawing from Afghanistan in 1989 after the US funded the Mujahideen including some fella called Osama Bin Laden(whatever became of him?). This funding, training and arming of the Mujahideen was apparently the brainchild of Zbigniew Brezenski, National Security Adviser to President Jimmy Carter in order to bleed the Soviets by drawing them into their own "Vietnam".
     Our frame of reference ends with where we are today, with the US withdrawing from Afghanistan after a failed 20 year war after being sucked into Afghanistan themselves and giving themselves their own new "Vietnam". History really does rhyme.
     In the 3 decades between these momentous and rhyming events in world history the Soviet Union has disappeared. A weakened Russia and its vast natural wealth was almost lost to the predatory Western capitalists and their equally loathsome Russian Gangster partners who almost destroyed Russia under the easily manipulated and drunk Yeltsin during the 90's. The most loathsome of these individuals are protected with their ill gotten gains in London with the UK routinely ignoring the extradition requests from Russia for these obvious financial criminals and gangsters.
    In parallel to the plundering of Russian natural wealth, US NATO ramped up the aggression believing their own propaganda that they had won the cold war and were now a sole superpower able to do as they pleased.
     Western aggression increased with the invasions under false pretences of Iraq, Somalia, Former Yugoslavia, Iraq (again), Libya. Aggression and sanctions against Russia, Iran, Venezuela. The coup in Ukraine and their failed gambit to seize the prize of Crimea. This is by no means a full list of Empire crimes which are way too numerous to detail.
     Syria is where the line was eventually put in the sand by Putin and Russia's intervention, after being convinced by General Soleimani (later assassinated in a cowardly and despicable act by the US) to intervene. Hezbollah and the IRGC fighting alongside regular Syrian Army units against the various jihadis armed and funded by the US. Russia with just a small air force offering air cover for SAA, Hezbollah and IRGC were the most responsible for the beating back of the Western sponsored Sunni Wahhabist jihadists in Syria and the beginning of the end of the current aggressions.
      Since Syria, Western failures are piling up. The attempted coup and installation of Guiado in Venezuela has failed miserably. Iran even defying the US sanctions and blockade on not only themselves but also Venezuela by exporting fuel to Venezuela and threatening the US that delivery is guaranteed by Iranian missile power. The US did nothing to enforce their so called sanctions.
      US support and arming of Saudi aggression(along with the UK and others) against Yemen about to come to the same end as their misadventure in Afghanistan.
      The US and other foreign forces will gradually draw down more and more in Iraq and Syria as well as the rest of the Middle East. It is happening now because they are now vulnerable and un-supportable. Missile tech really has changed the rules of the game. The West is a generation behind.
     The arrival of Putin onto the political scene in 1999, in hindsight, was the beginning of an earthquake in world politics and power. This is why Western leaders hate Putin. Not because he is any of the things he is accused of being, but because he is the most influential shaper of the unfolding 21st century. He is the most effective and influential politician of our age. His impact on world events is huge. His detractors understand this perfectly well which only increases their impotent rage.
       

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #634 on: September 24, 2021, 03:05:AM »
   Pepe Escobar on the latest SCO summit and the implications. Worth a read; https://www.unz.com/pescobar/eurasia-takes-shape-how-the-sco-just-flipped-the-world-order/

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #635 on: September 24, 2021, 12:16:PM »
 
Your claim that China is No. 100 on PPP due to your reliance on Wikipedia is easily debunked. Here is a link which helpfully gives the rankings according to the IMF and the World Bank who I am sure you will agree are a more reliable source. The CIA world handbook also agrees with this. China No.1
     https://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-gdp-ppp.php


The link Steve provided is for GDP per capita (per average individual) Not total GDP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

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« Reply #637 on: September 24, 2021, 12:28:PM »
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #638 on: September 24, 2021, 01:30:PM »
   
Why Wikipedia is so great -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_so_great
     Wikipedia is the Idiots guide which explains your overuse of it as a source. It is useful as an easy reference for uncontested information and nothing more.
     A Wiki entry on why wiki is so great :-[ you are embarrassing.
     No one but a half wit relies on sources like Wiki to understand world politics.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #639 on: September 24, 2021, 02:20:PM »
        Wikipedia is the Idiots guide which explains your overuse of it as a source. It is useful as an easy reference for uncontested information and nothing more.
     A Wiki entry on why wiki is so great :-[ you are embarrassing.
     No one but a half wit relies on sources like Wiki to understand world politics.

In reality, we know that David isn't a halfwit by any means. However, his views sometimes seem a bit black or white. Very fixed.

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« Reply #640 on: September 24, 2021, 03:48:PM »
In reality, we know that David isn't a halfwit by any means. However, his views sometimes seem a bit black or white. Very fixed.
   Read David's contributions throughout this thread, Roch. Halfwit is too kind. He is all over the place, has no coherent view of the world and dishes out insults to everyone. His position changes with the wind because his understanding is non existent. He is a halfwit.
   
   

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« Reply #642 on: September 24, 2021, 05:51:PM »
 https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/putin-the-poisoner-more-doubts-over-attempts-to-delegitimize-russias-leader/
   A fairly long but really good read by Philip Giraldi, covers Litvinenko, the Skripals and others.
   He also understands the course of history as a narrative arc rather than random unconnected events.

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« Reply #643 on: September 24, 2021, 07:34:PM »
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/putin-the-poisoner-more-doubts-over-attempts-to-delegitimize-russias-leader/
   A fairly long but really good read by Philip Giraldi, covers Litvinenko, the Skripals and others.
   He also understands the course of history as a narrative arc rather than random unconnected events.
There was no documentary evidence that Adolf Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust.

The Skripals have not returned to Russia. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/06/08/skripals-relocate-to-new-zealand-following-russian-poisoning-attempt-reports-a70504

As for the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, when they give their citizens human rights as we expect in the West I might take them a little more seriously. https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=NORMLEXPUB:11210:0::NO::P11210_COUNTRY_ID:103404

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« Reply #644 on: September 24, 2021, 11:34:PM »
      An excellent article on (the always riveting) Moon of Alabama blog dissecting not only the Russian elections but the uninformed drivel that passes as reporting in the West.
     I have pointed out previously how removed from reality Western media are when it comes to Russian politics. Their labelling of anyone who doesn't like Putin and who courts the Western media (Nemtsov, Navalny et al.) as some kind of serious opposition figure is laughable and flies in the face of reality.
     As previously pointed out, Navanly and Nemtsov are as relevant to Russian politics as Tommy Robinson or Paul Golding are to UK politics. If either of those were gunned down in London, followed by Russian media claiming that a leading opposition figure had been murdered within yards of Whitehall and speaking ominously of some suspecting that Boris Johnson himself had ordered the hit. Reporting like that would immediately discredit any organisation making such self evidently batshit crazy claims. That some lap it up when it is about Russia says much. It is still batshit.
    Anyway back to the MOA article which dissects the latest New York Times piece and demonstrates the above and more. The NYT laying bare their own shortcomings and ignorance in their own editorial.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/ny-times-acknowledges-us-failure-in-russia-adds-more-to-what-caused-it.html#more
   
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