Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

Oh.. didn't mean to hit a nerve. My apologies..

    You haven't hit any nerve. You seem to have hit a wall in putting forward anything credible. Is that comment meant to be a substitute for addressing any of the issues beyond posting a list of dead journalists?
    Show me some credible evidence of your allegations/innuendo.

[Roch]

Then why do you choose to live here? How does the US attract the largest migrant population on the planet?

Evil places I tell you 

I like American people in general. I like UK people in general. But the people of the UK and USA are not in control of their respective governments, security services and media, all of which are mired in filth.

[gringo]

Then why do you choose to live here? How does the US attract the largest migrant population on the planet?

Evil places I tell you 

    Migrants are your guide in measuring whether a country is aggressive on the world stage? What does this demonstrate to you, exactly?

[David1819]

    You haven't hit any nerve. You seem to have hit a wall in putting forward anything credible. Is that comment meant to be a substitute for addressing any of the issues beyond posting a list of dead journalists?
    Show me some credible evidence of your allegations/innuendo.

I am trying to talk about the poisoning of Alexey Navalny. You are the one who has taken this subject somewhere else (whether deliberately or not I do not know)

So, The situation with Alexey Navalny. I haven't pointed the finger at anyone or said anything yet.

You expressed the view its MI5/CIA propaganda. What evidence has brought you to that conclusion?

[gringo]

I like American people in general. I like UK people in general. But the people of the UK and USA are not in control of their respective governments, security services and media, all of which are mired in filth.

   Agree with all of that.
    Migrants want to settle in Western nations for any number of reasons. The perceived economic advantages from a point of view of someone with little to base that on. The cultural domination of the English speaking world plays a huge part in the apparent attractiveness to a migrant. English speaking films, literature and music dominate the cultural space.
    This has nothing to do with Western aggression in the world. It seems that more people are waking up to the reality of UK/US et al as aggressive warmongers that the rest of the world needs to face down.
    Some will never be able to face the cognitive dissonance of accepting that so much of what they believe is a lie.
    Tis truly easier to fool a person than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.

[gringo]

I am trying to talk about the poisoning of Alexey Navalny. You are the one who has taken this subject somewhere else (whether deliberately or not I do not know)

So, The situation with Alexey Navalny. I haven't pointed the finger at anyone or said anything yet.

You expressed the view its MI5/CIA propaganda. What evidence has brought you to that conclusion?

   Do you believe that the Skripals were poisoned by two GRU agents with Novichok in Salisbury?
     This may seem irrelevant to you but I am interested in what you consider relevant evidence where poisoning by the Russian state is alleged. It may also highlight the difference between reporting and truth. Lying by omission etc.
     What are your views on the Skripals?
     I am happy to discuss the Navalny issue separately but I suspect that you will have your usual blinkers on.

[David1819]

    Migrants are your guide in measuring whether a country is aggressive on the world stage?

No I was simply pointing out that if a place was an "Axis of evil" it wouldn't attract so many people.

People fled Nazi Germany, people fled the USSR. People flee from Cuba, people flee from North Korea etc etc. Those countries can be considered "evil" to some extent or another. Hence people leave and no one desires to move there. On the contrary North America and Western Europe is a desirable place to live people want to live there.

[gringo]

I am trying to talk about the poisoning of Alexey Navalny. You are the one who has taken this subject somewhere else (whether deliberately or not I do not know)

So, The situation with Alexey Navalny. I haven't pointed the finger at anyone or said anything yet.

You expressed the view its MI5/CIA propaganda. What evidence has brought you to that conclusion?

The Charité is a large company that is 100 percent owned by the State of Berlin
https://www.charite.de/die_charite/

Cinema For Peace organised Navalny's 'rescue' and they are also based in Berlin.
https://www.dw.com/en/the-german-ngo-behind-alexei-navalnys-rescue/a-54661016
"The founder of the NGO behind his evacuation, Jaka Bizilj, said private donations had paid for the flight — a Bombardier Challenger chartered by a Nuremberg-based firm — as well as for the medical staff on board.
Bizilj told DW that plans for the evacuation were set in motion on Thursday after members of the Russian punk band Pussy Riot Nadya Tolokonnikova and Pyotr Verzilov appealed to the NGO for help.

"I got a call from Nadia Tolokonnikova from Los Angeles, from Pussy Riot, and from Pyotr from Moscow, asking me if we could help a dear friend, Alexei, who'd got poisoned too," Bizilj told DW in an interview. The foundation had flown Verzilov himself to Berlin in 2018 after he was poisoned and fell ill.

Dizilj stressed that although the governments of Germany's Angela Merkel and France's Emmanuel Macron had been briefed, Navalny's airlift to Berlin had been a "private" activity.

"It was very expensive to do it in at very short notice, but in the end, during the process, without having to think much about it, private persons came forward and took over [costs]," he said, adding that the charter flight would not burden taxpayers."
...............

So - Pussy Riot rings Jaka Bizilj. Magically donors instantly step forward for the cost of a charter plane. The plane is then kitted out with required medical equipment and doctors and is at the Omsk airport at daylight the next day. Navalny is then transported from the military airport to the hospital with a large convoy of military and civilian ambulances and police escort.
What a load of shit.

Same old Same old. Cinema For peace and Charite.
https://www.dw.com/en/pussy-riot-activist-discharged-from-berlin-hospital-after-alleged-poisoning/a-45651878
"A member of Russian protest group Pussy Riot has been released from a German hospital after recovering from a suspected poisoning. The activist says he's "convinced" he was targeted by Russia's secret service.

Pussy Riot activist Pyotr Verzilov was discharged from hospital in Berlin on Wednesday after making progress in his recovery.

"The patient's health has considerably improved," the Charite hospital said in a statement.

Doctors at the facility found no traces of poison in Verzilov's body, but say the "absorption" of a poison was the "most plausible explanation" for his condition."
......................   

     The above is one of hundreds of comments in the link I gave you earlier. I watched the clip that you posted but you clearly haven't read a word of the link that i gave you.
     There are interesting and informed discussions going on if you choose to look. The same players, the same narratives over and over by the Western intelligence agencies.
     Do you really not see the ongoing efforts and aggression against Russia and other countries? Are you honestly incapable of detecting the same patterns and players time and again. There is ample evidence, as usual, of Western intelligence agencies controlling the narrative again. You don't want to see it.

[David1819]

   Do you believe that the Skripals were poisoned by two GRU agents with Novichok in Salisbury?
     

Yes. Strong circumstantial evidence with no plausible alternative explanation.

I am happy to discuss the Navalny issue separately but I suspect that you will have your usual blinkers on.

OK. You expressed the view its MI5/CIA propaganda. What evidence has brought you to that conclusion?

[David1819]

The Charité is a large company that is 100 percent owned by the State of Berlin
https://www.charite.de/die_charite/

Cinema For Peace organised Navalny's 'rescue' and they are also based in Berlin.
https://www.dw.com/en/the-german-ngo-behind-alexei-navalnys-rescue/a-54661016
"The founder of the NGO behind his evacuation, Jaka Bizilj, said private donations had paid for the flight — a Bombardier Challenger chartered by a Nuremberg-based firm — as well as for the medical staff on board.
Bizilj told DW that plans for the evacuation were set in motion on Thursday after members of the Russian punk band Pussy Riot Nadya Tolokonnikova and Pyotr Verzilov appealed to the NGO for help.

"I got a call from Nadia Tolokonnikova from Los Angeles, from Pussy Riot, and from Pyotr from Moscow, asking me if we could help a dear friend, Alexei, who'd got poisoned too," Bizilj told DW in an interview. The foundation had flown Verzilov himself to Berlin in 2018 after he was poisoned and fell ill.

Dizilj stressed that although the governments of Germany's Angela Merkel and France's Emmanuel Macron had been briefed, Navalny's airlift to Berlin had been a "private" activity.

"It was very expensive to do it in at very short notice, but in the end, during the process, without having to think much about it, private persons came forward and took over [costs]," he said, adding that the charter flight would not burden taxpayers."
...............

So - Pussy Riot rings Jaka Bizilj. Magically donors instantly step forward for the cost of a charter plane. The plane is then kitted out with required medical equipment and doctors and is at the Omsk airport at daylight the next day. Navalny is then transported from the military airport to the hospital with a large convoy of military and civilian ambulances and police escort.
What a load of shit.

Same old Same old. Cinema For peace and Charite.
https://www.dw.com/en/pussy-riot-activist-discharged-from-berlin-hospital-after-alleged-poisoning/a-45651878
"A member of Russian protest group Pussy Riot has been released from a German hospital after recovering from a suspected poisoning. The activist says he's "convinced" he was targeted by Russia's secret service.

Pussy Riot activist Pyotr Verzilov was discharged from hospital in Berlin on Wednesday after making progress in his recovery.

"The patient's health has considerably improved," the Charite hospital said in a statement.

Doctors at the facility found no traces of poison in Verzilov's body, but say the "absorption" of a poison was the "most plausible explanation" for his condition."
......................   

     The above is one of hundreds of comments in the link I gave you earlier. I watched the clip that you posted but you clearly haven't read a word of the link that i gave you.
     There are interesting and informed discussions going on if you choose to look. The same players, the same narratives over and over by the Western intelligence agencies.
     Do you really not see the ongoing efforts and aggression against Russia and other countries? Are you honestly incapable of detecting the same patterns and players time and again. There is ample evidence, as usual, of Western intelligence agencies controlling the narrative again. You don't want to see it.

So you are saying Russians who dislike Putin fake being poisoned as part of a smear campaign?

[lookout]

There are a few untraceable toxins, some of which give off the same symptoms as Verzilov was given.

[gringo]

Yes. Strong circumstantial evidence with no plausible alternative explanation.


OK. You expressed the view its MI5/CIA propaganda. What evidence has brought you to that conclusion?

   The fact that you believe the Skripal fairy tale and believe there to be no "plausible alternative explanation" and "strong circumstantial evidence" is evidence only of your narrow reading on the subject.
    It is way more plausible that Skripal had turned yet again and that the two Russians were involved in some drop or collection with Skripal. This would more sensibly explain why two Russians were "window shopping" in Salisbury in the immediate vicinity of where the Skripals succumbed to whatever substance they were incapacitated with. It is surely not credible that they smeared a deadly nerve agent on a door handle on foreign soil(an act of war, if true) and then went window shopping after this heinous and criminal act. Also this instantaneous deadly nerve agent had no effect for some hours and then both a young woman and an older man succumbed at exactly the same time. It is way more likely that whatever incapacitated the Skripals was applied at the bench they were sitting on.
    It may also explain why Pablo Miller, Skripals MI6 handler, is D noticed in connection with this event. Miller also resides in Salisbury and was Skripals recruiter and handler who now works for/with the infamous Christopher Steele at Orbis intelligence( a supposed private agency that is in reality a blatant UK intel asset run by supposed "ex spooks") also "D" noticed by the UK govt.
    As for Navalny. The links between the the hospital that he transferred to and previous unfounded allegations of poisoning agaist Russia. The huge coordinated noise via the media before any details are known. Already the narrative is set.
    The use of the same old script despite it being discredited time and again. It is why I asked your view on the Skripals. Your no plausible alternative is straight from the desk of GCHQ, your brainwashing is complete.
    The media circus around it before facts are known is a dead giveaway that it is an intelligence op. The results of tests will be spun.
     Here again, there is a relevancy to the Skripal case. Despite what you believe, Novichok has never been confirmed as used in Salisbury and more to the point, almost certainly wasn't.
     The OPCW were asked to confirm that the samples gathered and presented were the same as the UK govt analysis. The UK analysis is confidential. The OPCW confirmed only what the UK asked. What we asked is confidential. A secret. There was no Novichok, it is a UK intel invention against a geoploitical rival.
     You believe the Novichok tale because you don't read enough alternative to the mainstream views. It is a fact that the OPCW nor anyone else has shown that Russian agents nor anyone else used Novichok in Salisbury. The UK govt. have claimed this and media outlets have repeated these lies without question but it is a demonstrable and demonstrated lie. You choose to look the other way.
     Take careful note of the medical reports that will be released. The Russian doctors are being very open about this and have samples. Russian intel is ahead of them on this latest wheeze. The media circus will write what their masters tell them and spin stories but no poison administered by Russian agents will be found. You will believe the opposite of that.
     

[gringo]

So you are saying Russians who dislike Putin fake being poisoned as part of a smear campaign?

    David, this is a pathetic response. The Russians involved are western intelligence agency assets.
Pussy Riot, Navalny et al are fifth columnists. Yes Western Intelligence agencies are faking attacks and incidents to blame on Russia.
    Do you imagine that there is no intel coordination on these stories?
    Putin, like some comic book villain, plotting poisonings and ways of klling a few irrelevant dissidents?
    You are gullible and naive and not well read or informed on world politics. Hence your silly dismissals as above.

[David1819]

   The fact that you believe the Skripal fairy tale and believe there to be no "plausible alternative explanation" and "strong circumstantial evidence" is evidence only of your narrow reading on the subject.
    It is way more plausible that Skripal had turned yet again and that the two Russians were involved in some drop or collection with Skripal. This would more sensibly explain why two Russians were "window shopping" in Salisbury in the immediate vicinity of where the Skripals succumbed to whatever substance they were incapacitated with. It is surely not credible that they smeared a deadly nerve agent on a door handle on foreign soil(an act of war, if true) and then went window shopping after this heinous and criminal act. Also this instantaneous deadly nerve agent had no effect for some hours and then both a young woman and an older man succumbed at exactly the same time. It is way more likely that whatever incapacitated the Skripals was applied at the bench they were sitting on.
    It may also explain why Pablo Miller, Skripals MI6 handler, is D noticed in connection with this event. Miller also resides in Salisbury and was Skripals recruiter and handler who now works for/with the infamous Christopher Steele at Orbis intelligence( a supposed private agency that is in reality a blatant UK intel asset run by supposed "ex spooks") also "D" noticed by the UK govt.
    As for Navalny. The links between the the hospital that he transferred to and previous unfounded allegations of poisoning agaist Russia. The huge coordinated noise via the media before any details are known. Already the narrative is set.
    The use of the same old script despite it being discredited time and again. It is why I asked your view on the Skripals. Your no plausible alternative is straight from the desk of GCHQ, your brainwashing is complete.
    The media circus around it before facts are known is a dead giveaway that it is an intelligence op. The results of tests will be spun.
     Here again, there is a relevancy to the Skripal case. Despite what you believe, Novichok has never been confirmed as used in Salisbury and more to the point, almost certainly wasn't.
     The OPCW were asked to confirm that the samples gathered and presented were the same as the UK govt analysis. The UK analysis is confidential. The OPCW confirmed only what the UK asked. What we asked is confidential. A secret. There was no Novichok, it is a UK intel invention against a geoploitical rival.
     You believe the Novichok tale because you don't read enough alternative to the mainstream views. It is a fact that the OPCW nor anyone else has shown that Russian agents nor anyone else used Novichok in Salisbury. The UK govt. have claimed this and media outlets have repeated these lies without question but it is a demonstrable and demonstrated lie. You choose to look the other way.
     Take careful note of the medical reports that will be released. The Russian doctors are being very open about this and have samples. Russian intel is ahead of them on this latest wheeze. The media circus will write what their masters tell them and spin stories but no poison administered by Russian agents will be found. You will believe the opposite of that.
   

[David1819]

    David, this is a pathetic response. The Russians involved are western intelligence agency assets.
Pussy Riot, Navalny et al are fifth columnists. Yes Western Intelligence agencies are faking attacks and incidents to blame on Russia.
    Do you imagine that there is no intel coordination on these stories?
    Putin, like some comic book villain, plotting poisonings and ways of klling a few irrelevant dissidents?
    You are gullible and naive and not well read or informed on world politics. Hence your silly dismissals as above.

Did Pussy Riot help blow up building 7?