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Offline Caroline

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #345 on: February 27, 2015, 03:24:PM »
I'm no exception when it comes to saying " I read it so and so ".Well where did all this info that we read,originate from in the first place from those who clearly weren't at the scene.?

They don't all have to be at the scene but we have statements from those that were!! Pointless reading someone else's account of what they saw and or reading what they might have meant - best to refer to the 'original' account.
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« Reply #346 on: February 27, 2015, 03:29:PM »

And I believe it does NO harm to tell someone that they're good at something/they're valued. I've seen the damage done to those who, because of the lack of it, have been robbed of a worthwhile life because they have no self worth.

Thank-you for your apology, Grahame. :) xx
I don't think that applies in scipios case April? I shouldn't wonder if his house is lined with mirrors and wallpapered with his notes? ;D

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« Reply #347 on: February 27, 2015, 03:33:PM »
I don't think that applies in scipios case April? I shouldn't wonder if his house is lined with mirrors and wallpapered with his notes? ;D


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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #348 on: February 27, 2015, 03:35:PM »
I was surprise you asked the question given that you know where the statements are kept.





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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #349 on: February 27, 2015, 03:38:PM »
Neither would I David, but you see how little things like worrying about weight after pregnancy - suddenly become something so much bigger - worrying about weight suddenly turns into narcissistic personality disorder and then slaughtering your family.
A greater case can be made for Bamber having narcissistic personality disorder  - and certainly I believe is his a phsycopath.
If he is guilty then I would have to go along with that. Because no bormal person or who has a normal mind (whatever that is?) would commit such an awful crime.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #350 on: February 27, 2015, 03:41:PM »
Freddie was not the only person to be with her that night. Colin's mum went over because Freddie had called her, he also called Nevill.  If Freddie was hiding anything he certainly did not come across as such, for if he was hiding something he would have just walked out and left Sheila alone, but instead he tried his utmost to help her.  I believe he also called one of the children's parents to come over.  This episode lasted all night long and do not think that Freddie would have made the phone call up, he had no reason to lie about it.   I'm not sure but I think 3 doctors attended to her or tried to through the night.

I often wondered if the same thing happened at WHF....Did she catch NB on the phone to Jeremy? Was this the beginning of another episode? I am speculating, but its quite possible.  :-\

The whole point is that in her past episodes she didn't wake up deranged and go around waking up others and disturbing them.  It should be remembered her past episodes were prior to being treated and when she stopped taking her medication.

Freddie claims the frustration from a phone call being disconnected set her off and then she got progressively worse as the hours went by and ultimately only Nevill was able to calm her down.  He is the only one she recognized and she instantly calmed down enough to be able to talk coherently.

The allegations from Jeremy is that Nevill called to report that Sheila had gone crazy and had a gun and was asked to come over to help handle her.  She already supposedly was deranged and had the gun before the alleged phone call.  No one else would be awake at 3AM for her to interact with and become deranged while interacting with.  Sheila would have to have woken up deranged and then woken June up. She was a light sleeper while Nevill was a deep sleeper plus she was closer to the door.

The only one not shot while in bed was Nevill and he could have been sitting on the bed when shot.  That could explain why the shots were all to his left profile.  The shot to his shoulder had a down trajectory but shouldn't if he was standing upright when shot unless the killer was standing at a higher location than he was.  So this suggests he was sitting or bending not upright fully when shot.

The initial encounter was in the master bedroom where the killer shot June at least 6 times and Nevill 4 times. It is hard to come up with a reasonable scenario where Nevill would have made a call to Jeremy, hang up the phone and then take it off the hook and then returned upstairs to the bedroom so that both parents could be shot together. The phone call is not credible.  The killer entered the master bedroom and shot both parents, then gun was empty before Nevill could be immobilized and then either the killer ran to the kitchen to reload with Nevill giving chase or Nevill ran to the kitchen to grab a weapon or to escape through the door and the killer gave chase.

The bottom line is Sheila would have to have woken up deranged then disturbed the others which prompted Nevill to call Jeremy as opposed to the others already being awake the same time she was and interacting with them resulting in her becoming deranged.



 
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« Reply #351 on: February 27, 2015, 04:03:PM »
I believe she planned it that day. But of course you would have to explain the seeming coincidence of Bamber leaving the rifle on the settle on the same day as she planned the murders.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #352 on: February 27, 2015, 04:06:PM »
I don't think that applies in scipios case April? I shouldn't wonder if his house is lined with mirrors and wallpapered with his notes? ;D

Notes of what? If you mean this case I have none, I go by memory and consult the archives when necessary. Any notes I have on matters I handle professionally are in the case file if printed out or saved to a disk otherwise are simply somewhere on my computer.

The only notes I have on paper around my house relate to quotes from history books that stemmed from historical debates or recording things noteworthy from books I have read. They are not all over the place though they are in a few redwelds on my bookcase. Back when the History Channel Website existed I used to debate WWII with people from all over the World and some of them had great statistical figures they provided from Foreign Books I could not get a hold of so all the info from such books I copied. I have stacks and stacks of stats related to casualties, force levels, production figures etc.   They are the kinds of details that you can only remember in general terms and if you don't discuss same for a long time you need a refresher to know the specifics of the casualty claims from the various sources.

Back when I used to debate I had those notes around my computer if I was utilizing them or recording them but eventually they went into a redweld and rarely if ever see the light of day.  I may never need them again because most people don't like to talk in detail about WWII but just in case I saved them.   I also have quotes from books relevant to other historical issues I debated with others. Instead of throwing away my evidence after the debate ended I saved it just in case it would be of use to me in the future but none of it has left their redwelds in several years.  For someone interested in history it would be a nice find but that is definitely not anyone in my family so in all likelihood when I die my notes will be trashed and my history books all sold.

   
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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #353 on: February 27, 2015, 04:18:PM »
I believe she planned it that day. But of course you would have to explain the seeming coincidence of Bamber leaving the rifle on the settle on the same day as she planned the murders.

Which is why I said his efforts to frame her with his mouth (the alleged phone call and his claims of leaving the gun out and staging the bullets) ruin what otherwise would have been a good narrative for the defense to go with.  The evidence supports the killer launching a planned attack on the parents and kids in their bedrooms.  So that is what the defense would have liked to run with.  The alleged phone call from Nevill doesn't fit in with this narrative of her ambushing them as they slept.  It presents the tale of her waking them up and yet not shooting and permitting Nevill to make a phone call before any shooting takes place.  To swallow that is hard enough but to also swallow that it just happens to be the same night he left the gun out and his parents left the ammo and gun out too is just not credible, especially the gun with the scope and moderator removed.  His tale went out of the way to note the moderator and scope were not attached to conceal that the moderator had been used and to pretend the scope wasn't removed in order to carry out the murders because Sheila certainly would not have taken the time to remove the scope.  He removed it because it would inhibit accurate close quarters shooting.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #354 on: February 27, 2015, 04:33:PM »
What was to have stopped Jeremy saying," the gun's in the cupboard,dad ?" It would have been as good a hint as having left it where he did. So I don't buy that.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #355 on: February 27, 2015, 04:36:PM »




Yes,I know about the archives.( which mainly refer to guilt )

Glad you agree!!  ;)
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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #356 on: February 27, 2015, 04:38:PM »
Looks like an ad campaign to me.  ;)
I think that I inadvertently started this!  David stated that 'no one really bothers' reading Scipios posts.  I pointed out that this assertion was untrue.  Others then reinforced my statement.

We have great posters from both sides, on this forum.  I very much enjoy reading the case related debate.  There can be no better place to learn about this case.

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #357 on: February 27, 2015, 04:39:PM »
What was to have stopped Jeremy saying," the gun's in the cupboard,dad ?" It would have been as good a hint as having left it where he did. So I don't buy that.

Nothing would have stopped him but he didn't decide to do that.
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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #358 on: February 27, 2015, 04:40:PM »
What was to have stopped Jeremy saying," the gun's in the cupboard,dad ?" It would have been as good a hint as having left it where he did. So I don't buy that.


I don't follow. He said he left the gun out. If there had been a phone call from his father, why would he have said the gun was in the cupboard? What would he have been hinting?

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Re: Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005
« Reply #359 on: February 27, 2015, 04:40:PM »
I think that I inadvertently started this!  David stated that 'no one really bothers' reading Scipios posts.  I pointed out that this assertion was untrue.  Others then reinforced my statement.

We have great posters from both sides, on this forum.  I very much enjoy reading the case related debate.  There can be no better place to learn about this case.

Thank you Neil - a voice of reason!!
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