Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005

[scipio_usmc]

Does Skippy have the evidence of Sheila necessarily having a fit during the day rather than the night?

Her known fits were when she was awake.  She didn't suddenly wake up in the middle of the night and flip out. Freddie alleged the fit leading to her 2nd hospitalization was brought on by frustration over a phone call. He denies being her drug dealer despite Sheila saying he was to her doctor so who knows if this phone call claim is true or it was he who provoked it somehow and he was trying to conceal it.  in any event it was when he was there with her and she was active not her asleep and then suddenly waking up in the middle of the night and seeking people out.

For starters people plan to kill others at night as they sleep because:

1) they are the most vulnerable
2) there is less likely to be any potential witnesses who stop by or call
3) it is less likely for any witnesses to see you going to and from the location

If there were evidence of Sheila being responsible the timing as well as trying to kill everyone in their beds as they slept would be suggestive of a plan on her part not flipping out suddenly.

[Alias]

At least call it what it is, Skip: your thoughts on it - it isn´t evidence.

[scipio_usmc]

Which staircase do you mean?

David is lying to try to deflect attention from all the errors he made. Ask David where I denied the existence of the other staircases.  I didn't those staircases didn't have anythign to do with the point I was making.  He simply made up the claim i didn't know about them because he was humiliated on so many different points that it hurt his ego and he is lashing out like a baby.

The only issue pertaining to the stairs was because david asserted:

"6. Meanwhile Shelia goes into the main bedroom June sitting upright on the bed panicking gets shot twice (arms torso ect) she is badly injured but not dead. (4 rounds left in magazine)

7. After quick call to Jeremy Neville realising the gravity of the situation then goes back upstairs to try and end the ordeal

8. He enters the main bedroom he gets shot four times. (Magazine now empty)

9. Neville retreats back downstairs fighting for his life

10. Shelia then proceeds to the Gun cupboard to reload the magazine with 9 rounds.

11. She the goes downstairs to find Neville in the Kitchen in a near fatal condition."

Among the errors I pointed out to david was that the bullets were in the cupboard of kitchen office/ground floor office or whatever you wanted to call it not the upstairs office so she could not load the gun upstairs then go downstairs.

To try to deflect from his error he said there is another stairway to down stairs and made up the claim I didn't know about though this staircase's existence doesn't salvage his claims.  His claims were that she reloaded the gun upstairs then she went down to the kitchen.  It makes no difference how many different stairways there are the issue is the bullets were stored downstairs.

How does me correcting him that the bullets were in the cupboard downstairs prove I didn't know about the other staircases?

David is busy spinning away because he keeps getting schooled and doesn't like it.

[Patti]

Her known fits were when she was awake.  She didn't suddenly wake up in the middle of the night and flip out. Freddie alleged the fit leading to her 2nd hospitalization was brought on by frustration over a phone call. He denies being her drug dealer despite Sheila saying he was to her doctor so who knows if this phone call claim is true or it was he who provoked it somehow and he was trying to conceal it.  in any event it was when he was there with her and she was active not her asleep and then suddenly waking up in the middle of the night and seeking people out.

For starters people plan to kill others at night as they sleep because:

1) they are the most vulnerable
2) there is less likely to be any potential witnesses who stop by or call
3) it is less likely for any witnesses to see you going to and from the location

If there were evidence of Sheila being responsible the timing as well as trying to kill everyone in their beds as they slept would be suggestive of a plan on her part not flipping out suddenly.

Freddie was not the only person to be with her that night. Colin's mum went over because Freddie had called her, he also called Nevill.  If Freddie was hiding anything he certainly did not come across as such, for if he was hiding something he would have just walked out and left Sheila alone, but instead he tried his utmost to help her.  I believe he also called one of the children's parents to come over.  This episode lasted all night long and do not think that Freddie would have made the phone call up, he had no reason to lie about it.   I'm not sure but I think 3 doctors attended to her or tried to through the night.

I often wondered if the same thing happened at WHF....Did she catch NB on the phone to Jeremy? Was this the beginning of another episode? I am speculating, but its quite possible. 

[Jan]

Do we have their statements? I haven't seen them.

I have a feeling that they gave interviews to the papers but I may be wrong . I remember reading about it in one of the books - but have not seen statements.

[guest2181]

Her known fits were when she was awake.  She didn't suddenly wake up in the middle of the night and flip out. Freddie alleged the fit leading to her 2nd hospitalization was brought on by frustration over a phone call. He denies being her drug dealer despite Sheila saying he was to her doctor so who knows if this phone call claim is true or it was he who provoked it somehow and he was trying to conceal it.  in any event it was when he was there with her and she was active not her asleep and then suddenly waking up in the middle of the night and seeking people out.

For starters people plan to kill others at night as they sleep because:

1) they are the most vulnerable
2) there is less likely to be any potential witnesses who stop by or call
3) it is less likely for any witnesses to see you going to and from the location

If there were evidence of Sheila being responsible the timing as well as trying to kill everyone in their beds as they slept would be suggestive of a plan on her part not flipping out suddenly.

Just to throw a spanner in the works.

Obviously it's not my opinion of what occurred, but why does Sheila have to have had a fit or an episode to carry out the murders?

Because of the children? Maybe her empathy was not on par with that of our own?

Just sayin' 

[Jan]

I did say that once before. I think it is because we don't want to believe she would do such a thing . But there was that case recently where the mother killed her children before committing suicide because she felt leaving them was abandonment .So she did it when severely depressed rather than in an episode .

[nugnug]

i dont think he has much chance f a pardon.

[guest2181]

David is lying to try to deflect attention from all the errors he made. Ask David where I denied the existence of the other staircases.  I didn't those staircases didn't have anythign to do with the point I was making.  He simply made up the claim i didn't know about them because he was humiliated on so many different points that it hurt his ego and he is lashing out like a baby.

The only issue pertaining to the stairs was because david asserted:

"6. Meanwhile Shelia goes into the main bedroom June sitting upright on the bed panicking gets shot twice (arms torso ect) she is badly injured but not dead. (4 rounds left in magazine)

7. After quick call to Jeremy Neville realising the gravity of the situation then goes back upstairs to try and end the ordeal

8. He enters the main bedroom he gets shot four times. (Magazine now empty)

9. Neville retreats back downstairs fighting for his life

10. Shelia then proceeds to the Gun cupboard to reload the magazine with 9 rounds.

11. She the goes downstairs to find Neville in the Kitchen in a near fatal condition."

Among the errors I pointed out to david was that the bullets were in the cupboard of kitchen office/ground floor office or whatever you wanted to call it not the upstairs office so she could not load the gun upstairs then go downstairs.

To try to deflect from his error he said there is another stairway to down stairs and made up the claim I didn't know about though this staircase's existence doesn't salvage his claims.  His claims were that she reloaded the gun upstairs then she went down to the kitchen.  It makes no difference how many different stairways there are the issue is the bullets were stored downstairs.

How does me correcting him that the bullets were in the cupboard downstairs prove I didn't know about the other staircases?

David is busy spinning away because he keeps getting schooled and doesn't like it.

I don't need to get into that, I just wondered which stair was the subject of discussion.

The stair opposite the bathroom leads to the kitchen, clearly David has misinterpreted the plans, or I have misinterpreted his comment.

[David1819]

David is lying to try to deflect attention from all the errors he made. Ask David where I denied the existence of the other staircases.  I didn't those staircases didn't have anythign to do with the point I was making.  He simply made up the claim i didn't know about them because he was humiliated on so many different points that it hurt his ego and he is lashing out like a baby.

The only issue pertaining to the stairs was because david asserted:

"6. Meanwhile Shelia goes into the main bedroom June sitting upright on the bed panicking gets shot twice (arms torso ect) she is badly injured but not dead. (4 rounds left in magazine)

7. After quick call to Jeremy Neville realising the gravity of the situation then goes back upstairs to try and end the ordeal

8. He enters the main bedroom he gets shot four times. (Magazine now empty)

9. Neville retreats back downstairs fighting for his life

10. Shelia then proceeds to the Gun cupboard to reload the magazine with 9 rounds.

11. She the goes downstairs to find Neville in the Kitchen in a near fatal condition."

Among the errors I pointed out to david was that the bullets were in the cupboard of kitchen office/ground floor office or whatever you wanted to call it not the upstairs office so she could not load the gun upstairs then go downstairs.

To try to deflect from his error he said there is another stairway to down stairs and made up the claim I didn't know about though this staircase's existence doesn't salvage his claims.  His claims were that she reloaded the gun upstairs then she went down to the kitchen.  It makes no difference how many different stairways there are the issue is the bullets were stored downstairs.

How does me correcting him that the bullets were in the cupboard downstairs prove I didn't know about the other staircases?

David is busy spinning away because he keeps getting schooled and doesn't like it.

Wow you can talk skippy.

Besides you've been exposed as a fraud and falsifier of information simply to annoy and frustrate people. Carry on if you like no one really bothers reading what you post anyway 



 

[David1819]

I don't need to get into that, I just wondered which stair was the subject of discussion.

The stair opposite the bathroom leads to the kitchen, clearly David has misinterpreted the plans, or I have misinterpreted his comment.

This is what I looked at. It could be misleading - has anyone on this forum ever been to WHF to confirm?

[guest2181]

This is what I looked at. It could be misleading - has anyone on this forum ever been to WHF to confirm?

Yes.

Although I still don't understand your confusion. That plan is rather crude, but generally accurate in terms of layout.

The other floor plans in the archive are a more accurate representation.

[Neil]

Wow you can talk skippy.

Besides you've been exposed as a fraud and falsifier of information simply to annoy and frustrate people. Carry on if you like no one really bothers reading what you post anyway 

I guess that's what you'd like to believe. However, it's not true.

[guest154]

I guess that's what you'd like to believe. However, it's not true.

Agreed, I've learned things from Scips post -people don't like him much - but I have learned from his posts.

[guest2181]

Agreed, I've learned things from Scips post -people don't like him much - but I have learned from his posts.

Scipio is great. Very methodical.