Where Jeremy said he left the gun

[Kaldin]

It may be a mistake to concentrate on one gun, and where Jeremy left it, in my opinion, since if two or more different weapons were used during the incident, it matters just as much where these other weapons had been left, was placed in storage at the scene?

There's no doubt that the Anshutz was involved though, and I think it's important to know where Jeremy said he left it. Do you know where he left it?

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I know where he told me he left it...

Fine. I'm not going to play daft games with you.

[HMEssex]

I've just been looking at some older threads at the beginning of this forum and one of them, currently P26, titled "Local Man Hands in Two Guns taken from WHF..." (Dec 29) says that one of the guns was a shotgun and the other was some sort of 'hybrid' in that it had the barrel of a shotgun with the barrel of a .22 rifle beneath it.  Was this the gun that made the circular marks on Ralph?


Another one, currently P27 (Dec 27) "Secrets Kept by Essex Police..." is a report of a statement by a local resident who said he heard a shotgun blast between 9.30pm and 10.15pm on 6th Aug.  Perhaps things were kicking off earlier in the evening after JB had left WHF.

[John]

If the bike was used and the route is thought to be along the seawall, doesn't it take you right through another farmers yard?
I've walked the seawall from Goldhanger and i'm sure theres a farm between WHF and the seawall.   
I know there is another route but that would take you past the cottages.

I've read somewhere it was an old shopper bike, hardly a great escape option for a quick getaway.

Andrea's right, it was a sit up and beg, bone shaker of a bike.

In my opinion, there is no way on God's earth that anyone could have cycled the sea wall path on that old bone shaker or any other bike.

Remember Gen, the sea wall path as it is now is nothing like it was during the 1980s. The sea wall and path have been radically improved since then in order to comply with Health & Safety requirements.

Around 25 years ago, that path was narrower and crumbling, the path went right up to the very edge of the sea wall in places, where it crumbled away. There were highly dangerous rocks below. I have old photographs of the sea wall and path which show this I've tried to post these here but the site will not accept my scans for some reason.

It would have been far too risky to cycle that highly precarious route in pitch black darkness or even in daylight. Anyone who took that risk is likely to have ended up on the rocks below.

The police, the CPS and the jury seemed to believe it was possible.

[Gen123]

I wonder it they ever did a reconstruction.

Using the same bike and at the same time of night, to see how easily it was to do and how long it took to get from WHF to 9 Head Street .

[HMEssex]

I wonder it they ever did a reconstruction.

Using the same bike and at the same time of night, to see how easily it was to do and how long it took to get from WHF to 9 Head Street .

Just what I was thinking. Poor soul who drew the short straw!

[andrea]

dont worry about it sarann 

[chochokeira]

I wonder it they ever did a reconstruction.

Using the same bike and at the same time of night, to see how easily it was to do and how long it took to get from WHF to 9 Head Street .

I don't know whether they did a reconstruction or not.

I do know that police forensics went over the bike, testing for any mud or residues which would have shown that it was used to cycle to WHF or Tolleshunt D'Arcy across the muddy fields in the area at that time - that part of the Summer was wet.

That would have included checks for mud and residues from the coastal path, part of which would have been muddy.

Forensics found that there was no mud or residues on the bike, so it had not been used to cycle to WHF by the murderer.

[chochokeira]

If the bike was used and the route is thought to be along the seawall, doesn't it take you right through another farmers yard?
I've walked the seawall from Goldhanger and i'm sure theres a farm between WHF and the seawall.   
I know there is another route but that would take you past the cottages.

I've read somewhere it was an old shopper bike, hardly a great escape option for a quick getaway.

Andrea's right, it was a sit up and beg, bone shaker of a bike.

In my opinion, there is no way on God's earth that anyone could have cycled the sea wall path on that old bone shaker or any other bike.

Remember Gen, the sea wall path as it is now is nothing like it was during the 1980s. The sea wall and path have been radically improved since then in order to comply with Health & Safety requirements.

Around 25 years ago, that path was narrower and crumbling, the path went right up to the very edge of the sea wall in places, where it crumbled away. There were highly dangerous rocks below. I have old photographs of the sea wall and path which show this I've tried to post these here but the site will not accept my scans for some reason.

It would have been far too risky to cycle that highly precarious route in pitch black darkness or even in daylight. Anyone who took that risk is likely to have ended up on the rocks below.

The police, the CPS and the jury seemed to believe it was possible.

They didn't after forensics checked it out and found that it had not been used.

[HMEssex]

I wonder it they ever did a reconstruction.

Using the same bike and at the same time of night, to see how easily it was to do and how long it took to get from WHF to 9 Head Street .

I don't know whether they did a reconstruction or not.

I do know that police forensics went over the bike, testing for any mud or residues which would have shown that it was used to cycle to WHF or Tolleshunt D'Arcy across the muddy fields in the area at that time - that part of the Summer was wet.

That would have included checks for mud and residues from the coastal path, part of which would have been muddy.

Forensics found that there was no mud or residues on the bike, so it had not been used to cycle to WHF by the murderer.

And didn't Robert Boutflour go along the route searching for tracks, but failed to find any?  Perhaps this theory stemned from him.

[chochokeira]

If the bike was used and the route is thought to be along the seawall, doesn't it take you right through another farmers yard?
I've walked the seawall from Goldhanger and i'm sure theres a farm between WHF and the seawall.   
I know there is another route but that would take you past the cottages.

I've read somewhere it was an old shopper bike, hardly a great escape option for a quick getaway.

Andrea's right, it was a sit up and beg, bone shaker of a bike.

In my opinion, there is no way on God's earth that anyone could have cycled the sea wall path on that old bone shaker or any other bike.

Remember Gen, the sea wall path as it is now is nothing like it was during the 1980s. The sea wall and path have been radically improved since then in order to comply with Health & Safety requirements.

Around 25 years ago, that path was narrower and crumbling, the path went right up to the very edge of the sea wall in places, where it crumbled away. There were highly dangerous rocks below. I have old photographs of the sea wall and path which show this I've tried to post these here but the site will not accept my scans for some reason.

It would have been far too risky to cycle that highly precarious route in pitch black darkness or even in daylight. Anyone who took that risk is likely to have ended up on the rocks below.

The police, the CPS and the jury seemed to believe it was possible.

My apology, I meant to state that police forensics didn't think it has been used. Perhaps this is another issue that the defence should check out?

[Kaldin]

I think it's a mad theory anyway.

[HMEssex]

I think it's a mad theory anyway.

Not very feasible is it?

[chochokeira]

I think it's a mad theory anyway.

Well said, Kaldin.  +1

[lebaleb]

The bike didn't have any lights, unless Jeremy held a torch in one hand and the handlebars with the other. I don't think so!

[chochokeira]

The bike didn't have any lights, unless Jeremy held a torch in one hand and the handlebars with the other. I don't think so!

As he wobbled all over the place in pitch darkness at the edge of, what in the 1980s was in places, a narrowing, twisting, dipping and crumbling sea wall path?

You deserve +2 for that excellent observation, lebaleb.