Where Jeremy said he left the gun

[Kaldin]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

Yes, but depending on what time Jeremy left, how was he to know the movements of everyone?  Lots of people 'potter about' before they go to bed - even sorting out washng for next day. 

Sheila's autopsy/post mortem showed she had undigested food in her stomach, and although her mother told Pamela that Sheila was going to bed, there's nothing to say she actually went to sleep, therefore she could have gone downstairs again to get something to eat. If she had gone wandering up into the attic then maybe that would have been strange.

Yes, but the settle wasn't in the kitchen, it was in the "back kitchen". Sure, she could have gone out there to soak the clothes, but she wouldn't have gone out there to get something to eat.

Now you're being silly!  I didn't mean she found food in the back kitchen (Winalot anyone) but it is in the general vicinity.

Yes, but it's a different room. The back door is there, the office is there, and possibly some washing facilities, but there's no food there. Why would she go out there?

[HMEssex]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

Yes, but depending on what time Jeremy left, how was he to know the movements of everyone?  Lots of people 'potter about' before they go to bed - even sorting out washng for next day. 

Sheila's autopsy/post mortem showed she had undigested food in her stomach, and although her mother told Pamela that Sheila was going to bed, there's nothing to say she actually went to sleep, therefore she could have gone downstairs again to get something to eat. If she had gone wandering up into the attic then maybe that would have been strange.

Yes, but the settle wasn't in the kitchen, it was in the "back kitchen". Sure, she could have gone out there to soak the clothes, but she wouldn't have gone out there to get something to eat.

She would have done so if she wanted cucumber or eggs, Kaldin. Take a look on that small table and on the shelf behind it.

Too true Keira.  She was an ex-model so would have perhaps wanted something healthy/non-fattening!

[Kaldin]

I think there's total confusion about which room is which. 

[chochokeira]

Or if she wanted tomatoes, potatoes, or onions - unless that round thing is an orange, HM.

[arlosmum]

An omelette, perhaps?

[Kaldin]

Perhaps Sheila did wander out to the back kitchen where the clothes washing facilities were, and took off her underwear to soak it, and then saw the gun.

[HMEssex]

I think there's total confusion about which room is which. 

Totally!

Glad I live in normal house.  One front door and back door.  One kitchen, bathroom, loo and living room etc.  Nowhere to hide!  Downside is if anyone falls out, they have to go for walk round the park.... 

[chochokeira]

An omelette, perhaps?

Ooh, I'd love an omelette but I can't be bothered to make one. You would have to live on omelette's, quiches and scrambles if you had 70 -100 eggs in your kitchen and you'd be in and out of the store in the back kitchen's scullery all of the time, wouldn't you?

So, does that mean the two buckets containing Sheila's clothes could have been in the store room, the scullery and the back kitchen simultaneously: because all of these rooms are part of one rambling back kitchen complex full of nooks and crannies?

[HMEssex]

Or if she wanted tomatoes, potatoes, or onions - unless that round thing is an orange, HM.

Had to go and have another look at photo Kaldin kindly posted for us Keira!   Not sure about round thing. Could be onion/orange?

[Kaldin]

An omelette, perhaps?

Ooh, I'd love an omelette but I can't be bothered to make one. You would have to live on omelette's, quiches and scrambles if you had 70 -100 eggs in your kitchen and you'd be in and out of the store in the back kitchen's scullery all of the time, wouldn't you?

So, does that mean the two buckets containing Sheila's clothes could have been in the store room, the scullery and the back kitchen simultaneously: because all of these rooms are part of one rambling back kitchen complex full of nooks and crannies?

It would be useful to know where the clothes were, and I think Mike has mentioned that before. If they were in the area where the gun was, she could have seen it then.

I doubt the gun would have been in the scullery. If Jeremy did go out to shoot rabbits and then come back in, he's more likely to have left the gun near the back door, and the scullery is not near the back door.

[chochokeira]

Oh, and the laundry may simply been one section of one old, rambling room too. The old farmhouses I've been in have a series of sections in their kitchens, perhaps separated by a step down, narrowing or widening of one section of the room or a 'hole in the wall' type section.

Each of these sections have names which suggest they're rooms: the laundry, the dairy, the scullery and so on, when in fact the feeling that there are separate rooms is a bit of an optical illusion.

[Kaldin]

Oh, and the laundry may simply been one section of one old, rambling room too. The old farmhouses I've been in have a series of sections in their kitchens, perhaps separated by a step down, narrowing or widening of one section of the room or a 'hole in the wall' type section.

Each of these sections have names which suggest they're rooms: the laundry, the dairy, the scullery and so on, when in fact the feeling that there are separate rooms is a bit of an optical illusion.

As I understand it, they are separate rooms. The kitchen has four doors coming off it - one to the room where the back door is and where the office also is, and I think that's where the laundry stuff was too. There's another door leading from the kitchen to the scullery - a separate room with no access to the outside. Another door led to the hall, and another led to the kitchen stairs.

[HMEssex]

Oh, and the laundry may simply been one section of one old, rambling room too. The old farmhouses I've been in have a series of sections in their kitchens, perhaps separated by a step down, narrowing or widening of one section of the room or a 'hole in the wall' type section.

Each of these sections have names which suggest they're rooms: the laundry, the dairy, the scullery and so on, when in fact the feeling that there are separate rooms is a bit of an optical illusion.

As I understand it, they are separate rooms. The kitchen has four doors coming off it - one to the room where the back door is and where the office also is, and I think that's where the laundry stuff was too. There's another door leading from the kitchen to the scullery - a separate room with no access to the outside. Another door led to the hall, and another led to the kitchen stairs.

Oh dear!

Were the jurors ever taken to see WHF?  I know that in some cases jurors are taken to a scene just so they have a better understanding of a crime scene.

[Kaldin]

Oh, and the laundry may simply been one section of one old, rambling room too. The old farmhouses I've been in have a series of sections in their kitchens, perhaps separated by a step down, narrowing or widening of one section of the room or a 'hole in the wall' type section.

Each of these sections have names which suggest they're rooms: the laundry, the dairy, the scullery and so on, when in fact the feeling that there are separate rooms is a bit of an optical illusion.

As I understand it, they are separate rooms. The kitchen has four doors coming off it - one to the room where the back door is and where the office also is, and I think that's where the laundry stuff was too. There's another door leading from the kitchen to the scullery - a separate room with no access to the outside. Another door led to the hall, and another led to the kitchen stairs.

Oh dear!

Were the jurors ever taken to see WHF?  I know that in some cases jurors are taken to a scene just so they have a better understanding of a crime scene.

I don't know. They probably should have been.

[Kaldin]

There might have been another door from the kitchen too. There was some kind of drinks room or cupboard, but I'm not sure how big that is.