Where Jeremy said he left the gun

[chochokeira]

I think you may have mixed up the scullery with the laundry Kaldin.

The website clearly states scullery.  You will see from Jeremy's sketch that the scullery does not have an external door.

Yes, it does say scullery, but people seem to call different rooms different things. I'm going by the settle as well. If Jeremy had been out with the gun it would be more logical for him to leave it in the room he called the "laundry" as that is near the back door. As you say, the scullery has no external door.

This is a picture of the scullery.



Maybe Mike knows exactly where Jeremy said he left the gun.

Crikey! What a mess.  I wonder if that lidded bucket in foreground was where Sheila's clothes were soaking?  Maybe why no one noticed them?

I believe there were two buckets in which Sheila's clothes were soaking: one for light coloured clothes, one for dark coloured clothes. The clothes were probably separated to prevent dark colours 'bleeding' into light ones.

[Kaldin]

Can we please stick to the topic? I'm getting lost on this forum because all the threads go off topic.

[HMEssex]

Can we please stick to the topic? I'm getting lost on this forum because all the threads go off topic.

Sorry Kaldin!  But you did post the photos     Women notice these things...

Plus it recalls thoughts from other threads which are now 'lost'.

[Kaldin]

Can we please stick to the topic? I'm getting lost on this forum because all the threads go off topic.

Sorry Kaldin!  But you did post the photos     Women notice these things...

Plus it recalls thoughts from other threads which are now 'lost'.

Point taken. 

[SUMMER]

Sorry if this is going off topic again but only an idiot would leave a gun
out with young children in the house!
However I am sure that I have seen other photos of the house showing other
guns were also left casually under clothes in a bathroom, etc.
The mind boggles!

[Kaldin]

Sorry if this is going off topic again but only an idiot would leave a gun
out with young children in the house!
However I am sure that I have seen other photos of the house showing other
guns were also left casually under clothes in a bathroom, etc.
The mind boggles!

OK, let's just say that Jeremy was an idiot to leave a gun out - if that's what he did.

Where he left it is very significant don't you think? I presume his theory is that Sheila got hold of the gun because he left it around so she didn't actually plan to deliberately go and get a gun. If he said he left it in a place where she was not likely to go, does that indicate that he might be telling the truth? If he wanted people to think that she just picked it up because it was there, he would have said he left it in a very visible place like the kitchen table along with very handy ammunition.

[Alias]

Sorry if this is going off topic again but only an idiot would leave a gun
out with young children in the house!
However I am sure that I have seen other photos of the house showing other
guns were also left casually under clothes in a bathroom, etc.
The mind boggles!

OK, let's just say that Jeremy was an idiot to leave a gun out - if that's what he did.

Where he left it is very significant don't you think? I presume his theory is that Sheila got hold of the gun because he left it around so she didn't actually plan to deliberately go and get a gun. If he said he left it in a place where she was not likely to go, does that indicate that he might be telling the truth? If he wanted people to think that she just picked it up because it was there, he would have said he left it in a very visible place like the kitchen table along with very handy ammunition.

You have a piont there.

[HMEssex]

Sorry if this is going off topic again but only an idiot would leave a gun
out with young children in the house!
However I am sure that I have seen other photos of the house showing other
guns were also left casually under clothes in a bathroom, etc.
The mind boggles!

OK, let's just say that Jeremy was an idiot to leave a gun out - if that's what he did.

Where he left it is very significant don't you think? I presume his theory is that Sheila got hold of the gun because he left it around so she didn't actually plan to deliberately go and get a gun. If he said he left it in a place where she was not likely to go, does that indicate that he might be telling the truth? If he wanted people to think that she just picked it up because it was there, he would have said he left it in a very visible place like the kitchen table along with very handy ammunition.

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

[Kaldin]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

[HMEssex]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

Yes, but depending on what time Jeremy left, how was he to know the movements of everyone?  Lots of people 'potter about' before they go to bed - even sorting out washng for next day. 

Sheila's autopsy/post mortem showed she had undigested food in her stomach, and although her mother told Pamela that Sheila was going to bed, there's nothing to say she actually went to sleep, therefore she could have gone downstairs again to get something to eat. If she had gone wandering up into the attic then maybe that would have been strange.

[Kaldin]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

Yes, but depending on what time Jeremy left, how was he to know the movements of everyone?  Lots of people 'potter about' before they go to bed - even sorting out washng for next day. 

Sheila's autopsy/post mortem showed she had undigested food in her stomach, and although her mother told Pamela that Sheila was going to bed, there's nothing to say she actually went to sleep, therefore she could have gone downstairs again to get something to eat. If she had gone wandering up into the attic then maybe that would have been strange.

Yes, but the settle wasn't in the kitchen, it was in the "back kitchen". Sure, she could have gone out there to soak the clothes, but she wouldn't have gone out there to get something to eat.

[chochokeira]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

Yes, but depending on what time Jeremy left, how was he to know the movements of everyone?  Lots of people 'potter about' before they go to bed - even sorting out washng for next day. 

Sheila's autopsy/post mortem showed she had undigested food in her stomach, and although her mother told Pamela that Sheila was going to bed, there's nothing to say she actually went to sleep, therefore she could have gone downstairs again to get something to eat. If she had gone wandering up into the attic then maybe that would have been strange.

Yes, but the settle wasn't in the kitchen, it was in the "back kitchen". Sure, she could have gone out there to soak the clothes, but she wouldn't have gone out there to get something to eat.

She would have done so if she wanted cucumber or eggs, Kaldin. Take a look on that small table and on the shelf behind it.

[Kaldin]

Also, I think it's more likely that Nevill would have put the gun away if Jeremy had left it on the kitchen table. He might not have seen it if it was on the settle though.

[HMEssex]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

Yes, but depending on what time Jeremy left, how was he to know the movements of everyone?  Lots of people 'potter about' before they go to bed - even sorting out washng for next day. 

Sheila's autopsy/post mortem showed she had undigested food in her stomach, and although her mother told Pamela that Sheila was going to bed, there's nothing to say she actually went to sleep, therefore she could have gone downstairs again to get something to eat. If she had gone wandering up into the attic then maybe that would have been strange.

Yes, but the settle wasn't in the kitchen, it was in the "back kitchen". Sure, she could have gone out there to soak the clothes, but she wouldn't have gone out there to get something to eat.

Now you're being silly!  I didn't mean she found food in the back kitchen (Winalot anyone) but it is in the general vicinity.

[Kaldin]

Well that doesn't make sense - 'where she was not likely to go'.  I'm sure she would have gone to any part of the house, especially if this is by the main door everyone used, and it was right next to the kitchen where she most likely put her clothes to soak.

I don't agree. Was she likely to have gone to the area near the back door after she'd gone to bed? She would have had to go through the kitchen and out of the kitchen door. I don't know where the clothes were left in the bucket though, so perhaps you have a point.

Yes, but depending on what time Jeremy left, how was he to know the movements of everyone?  Lots of people 'potter about' before they go to bed - even sorting out washng for next day. 

Sheila's autopsy/post mortem showed she had undigested food in her stomach, and although her mother told Pamela that Sheila was going to bed, there's nothing to say she actually went to sleep, therefore she could have gone downstairs again to get something to eat. If she had gone wandering up into the attic then maybe that would have been strange.

Yes, but the settle wasn't in the kitchen, it was in the "back kitchen". Sure, she could have gone out there to soak the clothes, but she wouldn't have gone out there to get something to eat.

She would have done so if she wanted cucumber or eggs, Kaldin. Take a look on that small table and on the shelf behind it.

Those were in the scullery though - that's another room off the kitchen and the settle wasn't in there.