There were no ballistic tests done, until after bodies were cremated, puzzle?

[shonapugs]

I hope that you don't go, Hartley, when we're so close to the truth. At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) if the gun wasn't plastered with Sheila's prints, then she surely didn't do it. She didn't kill her children, or chase her parents round the farm, then lie down, shoot herself in the neck, think better of it, write a note then shoot herself again.

[mike tesko]

Mike I think you are mistaken, I'm a he not a she. Make your mind up you said you didn't want the pictures last week. 

I'm not going into the angle of the dangle with you again, it serves no purpose.

I will leave this thread with one observation though, the police officer statements say that Ralph was found in the tipped over position, in this position he was visible from the window.

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First of all, I know you are a he, I know all about you, who you are, and so what?

I don't hold it against you...

But you are wrong, Ralph was found sat on the chair behind the door, leaning forward - according to the pocketbook entries of PI "Bob' Miller...

Now, there was a delay of about seven minutes (7:37am) before the police inside the house were able to displace his body by toppling it over...

Listen...

Stop playing games, and get the facts right - produce your version of a person sat in  a chair behind the door that we are talking about, as viewed from the vantage point of being stood outside the kitchen  window, and I will gladly shut up and you will never hear from me again, if it is possible to see a body sat there on achair, as viewed from the window...

Go for it...

Shut mer up, or shut up yourself, and stop talking absolute nonsense - I have been there at that window and I have looked through the window into the kitchen, you cannot see any body sat there on a chair behind that door, the angle is too acute...

Now if you want to call me a liar, get your relatives to prosecute me as a trespasser, and we will sort the matter out in court...

Can you please answer this question...

If someone was sat on a chair behind the internal door and there was another person who was standing outside the kitchen window looking in, would that person be able to see the person sat on the chair?

Yes, or no?

[Hartley]

I hope that you don't go, Hartley, when we're so close to the truth. At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) if the gun wasn't plastered with Sheila's prints, then she surely didn't do it. She didn't kill her children, or chase her parents round the farm, then lie down, shoot herself in the neck, think better of it, write a note then shoot herself again.

Not going going, just out of this thread, Mike is starting to be defensive and offensive at the same time again, I don't have the patience to deal with him when he's in that frame of mind.

[Hartley]

You have no idea who I am Mike. 

[mike tesko]

I hope that you don't go, Hartley, when we're so close to the truth. At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) if the gun wasn't plastered with Sheila's prints, then she surely didn't do it. She didn't kill her children, or chase her parents round the farm, then lie down, shoot herself in the neck, think better of it, write a note then shoot herself again.

Not going going, just out of this thread, Mike is starting to be defensive and offensive at the same time again, I don't have the patience to deal with him when he's in that frame of mind.

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Just post the fucking pictures or shut up...

[mike tesko]

You have no idea who I am Mike. 

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I know exactly who you are...

Just post the pictures, and if I am wrong I will apologize...

[mike tesko]

I am fucking sick of corrupt police officers and lying wirinesses...

[Hartley]

I hope that you don't go, Hartley, when we're so close to the truth. At the end of the day (I hate that phrase) if the gun wasn't plastered with Sheila's prints, then she surely didn't do it. She didn't kill her children, or chase her parents round the farm, then lie down, shoot herself in the neck, think better of it, write a note then shoot herself again.

Not going going, just out of this thread, Mike is starting to be defensive and offensive at the same time again, I don't have the patience to deal with him when he's in that frame of mind.

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Just post the fucking pictures or shut up...

Back up a bit, I havent mentioned any pictures, the only person who has mentioned pictures in this thread is your good self.

[Hartley]

I am fucking sick of corrupt police officers and lying wirinesses...

What's that got to do with me? 

[shonapugs]

Mike, I admire what you do, but stop being Billy Big Bollocks. There are at least 3 people on this thread who are very close to the truth, in my opinion, and have backed you into a corner. If you can't explain why Sheila was spotlessly clean, and her prints weren't  plastered all over the gun, and how the boys (sadly) were cleanly killed, and Ralph had fought for his life at some stage, and not with Sheila, then I will listen. You put the image of Sheila on here, and it tells us all we need to know.

[Hartley]

You have no idea who I am Mike. 

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I know exactly who you are...

Just post the pictures, and if I am wrong I will apologize...

No you don't, it would be impossible for you to have any idea about my existence.

Now you want the pictures then? I'll trade you for something, how does that sound? I don't care either way.

[mike tesko]

I am fucking sick of corrupt police officers and lying wirinesses...

What's that got to do with me? 

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Listen, I am sorry, I apologize for being abusive, I know you have your views aboiut Bambers guilt, and you feel just as striongly as I do, that he is guilty, in the same way that I think he is not gullty, I don't hold that against you, and you should not hold that against me...

We are on different sides of the fence...

Ultimately though, I feel that it is in the best interests of both of us to find out the truth...

I have been to the kitchen window, and I have looked into the kitchen, and I have taken pictures, and the angle is too acute and the police would not have been able to see enough of the body if that body was sat on a chair behind the internal kitchen door, and mistakenly identify it as a dead female body, when it was a dead male body...

I know that if a professional photographer went to take a picture of the angle between the window and the internal door that we are speaking about,  that the angle would be too acute for the police outside the kitchen window to mistakenly identify Ralph's body, as that of Sheila's body?


Do I make myself clear?

Stop playing games - you will only end up losing...

[mike tesko]

I am a reasonable person...

I am prepared to meet any relative, or police officer, (retired or otherwise) to discuss any feature or aspect of the case, without there being any possibility of any bad feeling between us...

Don't be fooled by the police cover up...

[Hartley]

Mike I'm not playing games, I responded to your post on a completely different subject, I responded in a fairly open manner and under the impression that a discussion may take place. Instead of furthering the discussion you went crazy Teskowski on me.


Yes we know our views are at opposite poles, the difference is that Im not forcing my view on you.

[mike tesko]

Mike, I admire what you do, but stop being Billy Big Bollocks. There are at least 3 people on this thread who are very close to the truth, in my opinion, and have backed you into a corner. If you can't explain why Sheila was spotlessly clean, and her prints weren't  plastered all over the gun, and how the boys (sadly) were cleanly killed, and Ralph had fought for his life at some stage, and not with Sheila, then I will listen. You put the image of Sheila on here, and it tells us all we need to know.

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Listen, you have got all of this wrong - there was more than one gun used in these shootings...

Relatives were right to be suspicious, but they pinned their suspicions upon JB being the killer, when all along they should have been looking at the way EP handled this investigation from the outset...