There were no ballistic tests done, until after bodies were cremated, puzzle?

[mike tesko]

Would the alleged phone call from Ralph to JB not contradict that?

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There is no doubt that the phone call from Ralph to Jeremy was / is important, but it depends upon what Ralph actually said, and what Jeremy told PC West his father said, and what PC West claimed JB told him that Ralph had told him?

(1) - "Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy"
(2) - She has got the gun, she has gone crazy"
(3)  - He has got the gun, he has gone crazy"

If Ralph said (2) or (3)above, instead of (1) it would make a big difference...

[andrea]

but didnt ralph say "come quickly, shiela has gone crazy and has got the gun" ?

[Hartley]

Well yes of course, particularly number 3.

[shonapugs]

Mike, I am a simple person with simple needs. Could you please explain how Sheila ended up with no blood spatter, no signs of gunshot on her hands, clean feet, no sign of any trauma, and no prints on the gun? Why didn't she lie down alongside the boys? If she hated her mum so much (according to you) why did she get on the bed? Where is the heavy blood stain that corresponds to the stain on the back of her nightdress? Why does the whole scene look like an assasination?

[mike tesko]

but didnt ralph say "come quickly, shiela has gone crazy and has got the gun" ?

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I take the point you are making but consider this:-

(1) " Come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy and has got the gun"
(2) " Come Quickly, She has gone crazy and has got the gun"
(3) " Come quickly, He has got the gun"

[shonapugs]

Mike, what if there was no call from Ralph, just a call from WHF to Jeremy to say that it was all going to plan? Surely Ralph would have called 999, at least for an ambulance?

[Hartley]

but didnt ralph say "come quickly, shiela has gone crazy and has got the gun" ?

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I take the point you are making but consider this:-

(1) " Come quickly, Sheila has gone crazy and has got the gun"
(2) " Come Quickly, She has gone crazy and has got the gun"
(3) " Come quickly, He has got the gun"

It's an interesting thought, could Sheila/she/he have been misheard is what you are saying.

[shonapugs]

Why call your neer-do-well son, in the middle of the night, when you needed real help? He'd be the last person you'd think of, when your entire family, and your beloved wife, where at risk of being shot. Think about it. You'd call the police, an ambulance, and any local farmhand within earshot. And you would fight, as Ralph surely did. 

[mike tesko]

sorry for going off topic mike, but going back to recent visit to essex how far up pages lane did you get, and did you take pictures?

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Well, I am waiting for Hartley to produce the photographs of the angle and view between the kitchen window and the internal door behind which the body of Ralph Bamber was discovered on the morning of the shootings (which the police had to topple over)...

As yet, she has not produced any photographs of the alleged angle, and I am waiting to see any pictures she does produce, at which time I will consider posting the pictures I took...

If the relatives want to prosecute me as a trespasser, I will defend my position by claiming that in the interests of justice, it required me to take those pictures to prove that the angle from outside the kitchen window, in the direction of the internal door, was too acute, to enable a police officer to mistakenly identify the body of Ralph Bamber for that of a dead female, because anybody who was stood outside the kitchen window could not have seen enough of the body to form an opinion about the sex of the victim...

If relatives want to take me to court, I will make an application to the high court for an order to be made that the angle from outside the kitchen window, to the internal door inside the kitchen be photographed form (a) outside to inside, and (2) vice versa - to settle this matter once and for all...

I am confident because of the pictures I took that EP are lying, and the angle was too acute...

If relatives want to take me to court, do it, get on with it, I will have my day in court, and I will produce evidence to expose the lies that have been told about this particular matter...

I am not frightened of being prosecuted, and I am not frightened of going to prison for saying something  which I truly believe in...

[mike tesko]

Why call your neer-do-well son, in the middle of the night, when you needed real help? He'd be the last person you'd think of, when your entire family, and your beloved wife, where at risk of being shot. Think about it. You'd call the police, an ambulance, and any local farmhand within earshot. And you would fight, as Ralph surely did.

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I am with you on that - fact is, Ralph did call the police...

Whether you choose to believe this claim, or not...

[mike tesko]

I have got the pictures, and I have got the angle taken by a camera man, of the angle visible from entering the kitchen via the internal door behind which the body of Ralph Bamber was sat, and the kitchen window - I am confident that the risk I took, of being prosecuted, was worth it, because it exposes the lies told by police officers about allegedly misidentifying the body of Ralph Bamber , as that of a dead female...

The angle is too acute, you could not make the mistake which the police in this case alleged...

In my opinion...

[shonapugs]

Mike, how can I possibly know? Just because you say stuff, it doesn't mean that it happened. I so admire you for what you do, but there are glaring errors in what you say. Here we go again, but Sheila would have been covered in blood, and gun residue. I hate to say this, but even shooting the boys so close would have resulted in evidence. Look at her image, Mike.

[mike tesko]

David Shaw Opinions about baliistics issues?

[mike tesko]

Mike, how can I possibly know? Just because you say stuff, it doesn't mean that it happened. I so admire you for what you do, but there are glaring errors in what you say. Here we go again, but Sheila would have been covered in blood, and gun residue. I hate to say this, but even shooting the boys so close would have resulted in evidence. Look at her image, Mike.

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You have got the wrong end of the stick...

It wouldn't matter if Sheila was shot by someone else, or of she shot herself, there would still have been residues on her nightdress...

Get a grip of yourself...

[Hartley]

Mike I think you are mistaken, I'm a he not a she. Make your mind up you said you didn't want the pictures last week. 

I'm not going into the angle of the dangle with you again, it serves no purpose.

I will leave this thread with one observation though, the police officer statements say that Ralph was found in the tipped over position, in this position he was visible from the window.