I am visiting ST Nicholas' church, Tolleshunt D'arcy - today

[Hartley]

Shonopugs the things I have read about JB's natural father he does not seem to be a very nice man he certainly didn't seem to have any interest in contacting Jeremy say when JB was 18 which I find strange considering he ended up marrying JB s natural mother but we don't know what JB s mother thinks (everyone knows what a strong bond a mother has with her baby) she and JB s natural siblings might follow JB s case and share the belief he is innocent. They could even read this forum if their is a retrial or JB wins an appeal there is still a family out there.  Does any one know how many siblings there are?

I get the impression the problem with the natural father (and possibly mother) is the good old English Class System, I'm not sure how well it will be received by their peers if they were seen to publicly defend a convicted murderer, regardless of the actual truth.

And please don't smite me but I do find it amusing sometimes when phrases such as "everyone knows what a strong bond a mother has with her baby" are used. Particularly when you have the view that Sheila dispatched her children to the great beyond with relative ease. 

[Jackiepreece]

But Sheila was very ill enough to be hospitalised twice if Sheila killed her children it was because she was very very ill I have no doubt she loved her boys very much.

[Hartley]

But Sheila was very ill enough to be hospitalised twice if Sheila killed her children it was because she was very very ill I have no doubt she loved her boys very much.

Yeah I know, I guess I'm just implying that assumptions are easy to come by and can be tailored, especially when they get two or three layers deep, assumptions based on assumptions based on assumptions.

[grahameb]

Shonopugs the things I have read about JB's natural father he does not seem to be a very nice man he certainly didn't seem to have any interest in contacting Jeremy say when JB was 18 which I find strange considering he ended up marrying JB s natural mother but we don't know what JB s mother thinks (everyone knows what a strong bond a mother has with her baby) she and JB s natural siblings might follow JB s case and share the belief he is innocent. They could even read this forum if their is a retrial or JB wins an appeal there is still a family out there.  Does any one know how many siblings there are?

I get the impression the problem with the natural father (and possibly mother) is the good old English Class System, I'm not sure how well it will be received by their peers if they were seen to publicly defend a convicted murderer, regardless of the actual truth.

And please don't smite me but I do find it amusing sometimes when phrases such as "everyone knows what a strong bond a mother has with her baby" are used. Particularly when you have the view that Sheila dispatched her children to the great beyond with relative ease. 

I keep applauding you myself. Trying to get your plus numbers up. Because I think you make some good points.

[Hartley]

Cheers Grahame, who'd 'a' thought ay? 

[John]

John
I asked you two things do you think the jury would still have convicted JB if they had known about the newspaper money (which I think was enough anyway) and the full extent of the inheritance the relatives would have got on JBs conviction.  Also bear in mind more property owned by Neville Bamber that went to the relatives has only just come to light because it was held under PII (for god knows what excuse)

John its simple enough question based on the above do you think JB would still have been convicted

Do you know what I would love it if you were really Bob Miller I would love a one on one with him

Sorry Jackie, I did answer the first one somewhere.

Anyway, I don't think the payment from the newspaper would have made one iota even if it had been £1million.   The jury would be aware who would inherit if they chose to convict Jeremy so I don't that that was an issue.

Sorry but I ain't Bob Miller and know nothing about him.

[andrea]

roundhay lake is extremely deep, i have friend who runs a shop there. canal gardens is nice too.

yes it is, thought it was

[andrea]

roundhay lake is extremely deep, i have friend who runs a shop there. canal gardens is nice too.

yes it is, thought it was

i posted on the wrong quote i wa reffering to neville and junes grave

[grahameb]

roundhay lake is extremely deep, i have friend who runs a shop there. canal gardens is nice too.

yes it is, thought it was

i posted on the wrong quote i wa reffering to neville and junes grave

I wondered why you were talking to yourself Andrea? 

[joolz1975]

This is what happened to Maxine Carr for perverting the course of justice
Carr was found guilty of two counts of conspiring to pervert the course of justice, but cleared of assisting an offender after the jury accepted that she lied to protect Huntley because she believed him to be innocent. Yesterday she was placed under a three-year supervision order after pleading guilty to 20 charges of benefit fraud and lying in job applications. She is now expected to be released on Friday after serving half of her 42-month sentence. Since her conviction Carr has been discussed in the same breath as Myra Hindley and Rosemary West, who actively participated in two of the most notorious serial murder cases of the 20th century. One paper gleefully reported that Carr had been taken ill in Holloway Prison after being abused by other inmates as “Myra Hindley II”.

Why wasnt Mugford charged she voluntarily went to the police and they had her statement why did they have to give her immunity John

Different time and different crime Jackie! you cant compare the two!

[Jackiepreece]

Joolz are you kidding so JB laughed to mugford he should have been an actor and if she had gone downstairs to tell the policeman what JB had done the police could have started getting evidence straightaway


Different crime yes:
2 children + 3 adults

Maxine Carr
2 children
And she didn't identify Holly and jessicas bodies

[Jackiepreece]

And I suppose if JB hadn't dumped mugford by now they would be living happily ever after at whf and mugford would have had a face lift by now the nasty witch

[simong]

She might have thought he was in shock. I find your continual abuse of Julie Mugford to be quite disturbing. How come you make every excuse for JB and his behaviour?  but JM is not afforded the same luxury.

[joolz1975]

Joolz are you kidding so JB laughed to mugford he should have been an actor and if she had gone downstairs to tell the policeman what JB had done the police could have started getting evidence straightaway


Different crime yes:
2 children + 3 adults

Maxine Carr
2 children
And she didn't identify Holly and jessicas bodies

I disagree but each to their own and all that!

There is nooooo comparison at all between the cold blooded shooting of family members and the murder of two children who were strangers to the murderer!

[Hartley]

And I suppose if JB hadn't dumped mugford by now they would be living happily ever after at whf and mugford would have had a face lift by now the nasty witch

Sheesh  Very constructive.