I am visiting ST Nicholas' church, Tolleshunt D'arcy - today

[Kaldin]

Mike, the pictures are great, and show the area in true beauty which it is.
 I may be missing something, what has this got to do with the murders.

I believe it helps to set the village scene in our mind's eye, Cliff, it helps us to understand what happened if we forum members can visualise these places we keep reading about. St Nicholas's church is where June and Nevill Bamber's funeral was held and they are buried in the graveyard here. Among the huge amount of controversy that this case is steeped in lies the issue of the funeral and Jeremy's conduct there.

I agree. It's kind of weird seeing pictures of the church in a different context - ie, without Jeremy and co there, but it's interesting too.

[andrea]

i may be jumping the gun here but the pictures of the graves, are one of them graves the resting place of neville and june, the ones at the very back of the pic? it looks familiar

[John]

Andrea if you ever come down you would be welcome to stay with me I have just had the decorators in to do my spare room.

John I believe for at least two reasons the Julie mugford newspaper deal and the real revelation of where the inheritance would go if JB was convicted would have changed the verdict in court that is without numerous other anomalies that have been discussed here.
Are you really going to say the jury would not have come to a different decision

The jurors knew that Julie was the Crown's star witness and found her testimony extremely compelling. I fear that it would have made no difference had they thought she was going to get £1million as they accepted that she was telling the truth albeit with a bit of window dressing thrown in for good measure. I would love to have seen Bamber's face when she gave her evidence, it would have been priceless!!   

[John]

the last time i went there, the police were dragging a body ot of the lake.


roundhay park was the yorkshire rippers stomping ground too

My sister n law was a ranger there for several years. She rescued some kids from the lake but was told off by the management for putting her own life at risk.

[andrea]

roundhay lake is extremely deep, i have friend who runs a shop there. canal gardens is nice too.

[Jackiepreece]

John you would have liked to have Jeremys face when mugford was giving her evidence I would have liked to have seen mugfords face if she had been arrested and charged with perverting the course of justice when she thought she off to a 5 star hotel with her mother.  It would have been good if the police had lied about immunity they change things when it suits them.

Great message to anyone who think crime doesn't pay

[clifford]

John, she was well rehearsed. Her testiment was not off the cuff.

[Jackiepreece]

John
I asked you two things do you think the jury would still have convicted JB if they had known about the newspaper money (which I think was enough anyway) and the full extent of the inheritance the relatives would have got on JBs conviction.  Also bear in mind more property owned by Neville Bamber that went to the relatives has only just come to light because it was held under PII (for god knows what excuse)

John its simple enough question based on the above do you think JB would still have been convicted

Do you know what I would love it if you were really Bob Miller I would love a one on one with him

[shonapugs]

It would seem that JM was well rehearsed, but she never wavered. She might have been many things, but at the end of the day she was a young woman who might have dabbled in small-time crime but suddenly found herself in the middle of the most high-profile murder case of the time, and she held her nerve throughout. Not easy, unless she was convinced, I think.

[Jackiepreece]

This is what happened to Maxine Carr for perverting the course of justice
Carr was found guilty of two counts of conspiring to pervert the course of justice, but cleared of assisting an offender after the jury accepted that she lied to protect Huntley because she believed him to be innocent. Yesterday she was placed under a three-year supervision order after pleading guilty to 20 charges of benefit fraud and lying in job applications. She is now expected to be released on Friday after serving half of her 42-month sentence. Since her conviction Carr has been discussed in the same breath as Myra Hindley and Rosemary West, who actively participated in two of the most notorious serial murder cases of the 20th century. One paper gleefully reported that Carr had been taken ill in Holloway Prison after being abused by other inmates as “Myra Hindley II”.

Why wasnt Mugford charged she voluntarily went to the police and they had her statement why did they have to give her immunity John

[chochokeira]

Lovely area! Its a shame that people not from Essex just see the Basildon and Southend side of things and not the beautiful rural villages like D'arcy. When I meet people and say i'm from Essex you can tell their thinking hmmm White Stilettos...couldn't be more wrong!

Yeah sometimes people are shocked when you say the rural Essex accent is similar to Suffolk/ Norfolk. I'm from a very rural area of Essex and its nice to hear the older generation still have the accent. 

Yep I agree.  Essex is such a diverse county.  It has everything; the London side plus all the estuary, including Southend, but go into the centre, up the coast and north (Constable country), it's really rural, and quite quaint, plus the accent changes!

I love the old Essex dialect. Unfortunately, it's rapidly being replaced with the Estuary English of south Essex. The term 'Estuary English' isn't a derogatory one, by the way, it's an expression used by those studying English dialects and refers to the spread of the dialect from the area around the Thames estuary.

[Jackiepreece]

chochokeira you have done some family trees on here i wondered if you could do anything on JB s natural family I know his father is not interested but I wondered about his mother and siblings is it possible to find anything about them at all

[shonapugs]

Why drag them into it, Jack? They must be mortified.

[chochokeira]

chochokeira you have done some family trees on here i wondered if you could do anything on JB s natural family I know his father is not interested but I wondered about his mother and siblings is it possible to find anything about them at all

I did start to have a look at them. I seem to recall that I couldn't find his father's birth in this country. That could be because he was born overseas, or perhaps he was born in Scotland (where the records' system differs from ours) as I've seen a reference somewhere to him living in the highlands. Or there could be another reason: the fact that he's part of the royal household could have been used to take his records out of the public domain. A birth in Scotland seems the likeliest possibility to me, in which case he may be difficult to research, as I recall - though I could be wrong, Scottish research requires a trip to Edinburgh where you've to stand in queues for hours to obtain a few measly records. So it could take years to research him. Are there any forum members who live near Edinburgh? I'll have a look at his mother for you tomorrow.

[Jackiepreece]

Shonopugs the things I have read about JB's natural father he does not seem to be a very nice man he certainly didn't seem to have any interest in contacting Jeremy say when JB was 18 which I find strange considering he ended up marrying JB s natural mother but we don't know what JB s mother thinks (everyone knows what a strong bond a mother has with her baby) she and JB s natural siblings might follow JB s case and share the belief he is innocent. They could even read this forum if their is a retrial or JB wins an appeal there is still a family out there.  Does any one know how many siblings there are?