June Bamber, did not attend bible class evening before she was killed...

[Jane]

I can still find it hard to believe!

As you are absolutely entitled to, BUT it doesn't mean he didn't do it.

[Caroline]

I can still find it hard to believe!

Hard to believe for you maybe, but not impossible 

[Alias]

As you are absolutely entitled to, BUT it doesn't mean he didn't do it.

Makes it less likely for me.

[Alias]

Hard to believe for you maybe, but not impossible 

Eh.

[Jane]

Makes it less likely for me.

Isn't that strange!!! It makes it MORE likely for me !

[Caroline]

Isn't that strange!!! It makes it MORE likely for me !

And me 

[Alias]

We are different people. I don´t understand how you can reason as you do - you don´t understand I reason as I do.

[Patti]

Yes, I know it happens. My problem (sorry to repeat) is: would Jeremy have known that it does happen? I don´t think so. Still he staged it as a suicide. I have a huge problem with that.

I agree Alias it dose not ring true. If I had been Jeremy and used two shots to kill Sheila I would be damned worried that the police did not think "Hey Hang on a Minute! Two Shots!" is this really a suicide.
 
We are, talking about professional people here, who had been highly trained, yet  they believed it was a suicide murder for many weeks after.

Surely If Jeremy had committed the crime he would have been frozen with fear that he would not get away with it and in the early hours of the morning he could have changed or re-staged the crime scene to look like it was burglary gone wrong? 

[Jane]

He may not have done it as you would have, but I guess YOU wouldn't have done it the way he did, either

I agree, Alias, as I said earlier.

[Alias]

I agree, Alias, as I said earlier.

Heh, I think you are agreeing with yourself here! 

[Adam]

I agree Alias it dose not ring true. If I had been Jeremy and used two shots to kill Sheila I would be damned worried that the police did not think "Hey Hang on a Minute! Two Shots!" is this really a suicide.
 
We are, talking about professional people here, who had been highly trained, yet  they believed it was a suicide murder for many weeks after.

Surely If Jeremy had committed the crime he would have been frozen with fear that he would not get away with it and in the early hours of the morning he could have changed or re-staged the crime scene to look like it was burglary gone wrong? 

Why would a burglar enter a house with five people inside ?

A thread has already been created on this. It was a terrible idea.

[Caroline]

I agree Alias it dose not ring true. If I had been Jeremy and used two shots to kill Sheila I would be damned worried that the police did not think "Hey Hang on a Minute! Two Shots!" is this really a suicide.
 
We are, talking about professional people here, who had been highly trained, yet  they believed it was a suicide murder for many weeks after.

Surely If Jeremy had committed the crime he would have been frozen with fear that he would not get away with it and in the early hours of the morning he could have changed or re-staged the crime scene to look like it was burglary gone wrong? 

How do you know he wasn't worried and that's why, as Grahame suggested, he made the phone call.

Professional? Are you suggesting cops don't make mistakes? How many times have you argued that the crime scene was badly handled - professional? They were pretty incompetent that day!!

Someone planning and executing such a heinous crime would have to be a psychopath and as such would feel no fear just concern about covering their arse! Jeremy thought he had - with the phone call.

[Adam]

There are lots of disadvantages of the fake robbery plan -


He could not insinuate Sheila. Something he has been doing for 30 years.

He would still be first on the scene anyway. Threads created.

He would have to take something from WHF. Or several things. Taking several journeys to WHF after the massacre. Risking the chance of being seen or heard.

Robbers are not usually killers. Especially of women and children who are sleeping. 

He could not claim Neville phoned.

Robbers rob houses they believe are empty.

The relatives would still suspect Jeremy. And he would still tell Julie.

A robber had to find a quiet way into WHF. Something Jeremy liked to keep secret from the police.

If the robber did not take anything it would look suspicious.

Jeremy dumping valuable items means less for him. The fire plan was dropped partly for this reason.

Dumped items may be found.

Julie never said this was an option Jeremy considered. Even he is not that stupid.

He could not create the siege and 'Crazy Sheila' situation.

There would be no sightings of mysterious men in the area. As there were not any.

Brutal farm robberies are very rare.

[Adam]

I agree Alias it dose not ring true. If I had been Jeremy and used two shots to kill Sheila I would be damned worried that the police did not think "Hey Hang on a Minute! Two Shots!" is this really a suicide.
 
We are, talking about professional people here, who had been highly trained, yet  they believed it was a suicide murder for many weeks after.

Surely If Jeremy had committed the crime he would have been frozen with fear that he would not get away with it and in the early hours of the morning he could have changed or re-staged the crime scene to look like it was burglary gone wrong? 

Bambers actions on the night were wildly erratic. He was probably in fear but felt confident he could get through it. And reap the rewards.

On the night, why an earth would the police think an affable fellow like Bamber would massacre his family. Especially as he was spending hours insinuating the 'nutter' Sheila.

[Alias]

It happens all the time that killers stage robberies. They usually do a lousy job of it, but it happens all the time - even though it is a "horrible idea".
Killers don´t stage double shot killings as suicides. Never heard of it. If anyone can come up with an exaample (other than the Bamber case), let me know!