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« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2015, 03:28:AM »
Schizophrania is not a static condition.

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« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2015, 04:33:AM »

Steve, unless my eyes are deceiving me, it VERY much sounds as if he's saying that when her meds were reduced the psychoses returned.

He noted a number of things including:

1) before she was treated successfully she had thought about suicide and had disturbing thoughts about her children.  After treatment she no longer had delusions about her children or suicidal thoughts

2) She stopped taking her medication and thus relapsed.  That is why she was put on injections- that way she could not repeat the pattern of failing to take her meds

3) During her relapse she had delusions about Freddie and general anxiety of good versus evil not any delusions about her family.  He felt based on everything he heard that Freddie was a bad influence on her 

4) Prior to her death she was oversedated.   

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« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2015, 10:02:AM »
He noted a number of things including:

1) before she was treated successfully she had thought about suicide and had disturbing thoughts about her children.  After treatment she no longer had delusions about her children or suicidal thoughts

2) She stopped taking her medication and thus relapsed.  That is why she was put on injections- that way she could not repeat the pattern of failing to take her meds

3) During her relapse she had delusions about Freddie and general anxiety of good versus evil not any delusions about her family.  He felt based on everything he heard that Freddie was a bad influence on her 

4) Prior to her death she was oversedated.



He says that on re admission she had relapsed -I don't think he says why. He THEN says the psychosis receded briefly on medication but when it was reduced it returned. It tells me that having tried a lower dose it was found NOT to suppress her symptoms. At this point it clearly was NOT because she'd stopped taking her meds because she wasn't in control of them.

He must have had reasons for feeling "particularly anxious" that she had follow up care and monitoring after she left hospital but it didn't happen.




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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2015, 10:11:AM »
And the result of that was 4 murders and a suicide----------------without a doubt !!

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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2015, 10:16:AM »
And the result of that was 4 murders and a suicide----------------without a doubt !!



I've never said it wasn't possible, lookout. It's the PROBABILITY that I question.

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« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2015, 10:18:AM »


I've never said it wasn't possible, lookout. It's the PROBABILITY that I question.





The probability is enormous when directed at a person whose condition WASN'T controlled.

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« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2015, 10:31:AM »




The probability is enormous when directed at a person whose condition WASN'T controlled.



But despite fanciful theories there is no concrete proof.

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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2015, 10:50:AM »


But despite fanciful theories there is no concrete proof.





There's plenty of proof that it was Sheila.How much more do you want ? Unless you were watching the whole tragedy unfold in front of your eyes.

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« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2015, 10:52:AM »




There's plenty of proof that it was Sheila.How much more do you want ? Unless you were watching the whole tragedy unfold in front of your eyes.




Compared to Sheila,Jeremy's got diddly-squat.

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« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2015, 11:22:AM »
Looks like a " role reversal " in the shooting of an ex-wife and her children in Atlanta. No details are forwarded as yet,but it's obvious that where there's an " ex ",there's a problem. Also,it'll be interesting to find out the state of mind of the shooter.

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« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2015, 07:17:PM »


He says that on re admission she had relapsed -I don't think he says why. He THEN says the psychosis receded briefly on medication but when it was reduced it returned. It tells me that having tried a lower dose it was found NOT to suppress her symptoms. At this point it clearly was NOT because she'd stopped taking her meds because she wasn't in control of them.

He must have had reasons for feeling "particularly anxious" that she had follow up care and monitoring after she left hospital but it didn't happen.

He stated that prior to her readmission she kept stop taking her medication and missing appointments. 
She was on low dose medication prior to her admission and when he returned her to such low dose medication she reverted to thoughts of Freddie as the devil for supplying her with Cocaine etc.  That's why he told Colin Freddie was not a good influence on her. He changed her medication to Haloperidol and to injections at that because her history of not taking her medication and prior medication not working when the dosage was reduced.

He said that based on she told her doctor and the observations of her friends her dose was too high and she was oversedated. Our current state of medicine makes clear she wa sindeed overdosed, more than 100MG is not considered safe.  Even 100MG is a lot though and they prescribe a countering agent.  She wasn't taking that agent and that helps explain why the 100MG still had such a strong effect on her.

Note that after the reduction to 100MG she didn't show any of the signs that she had when she was moved to her low dose medication she had trouble with in the hospital.  There is no difference in clinical effectiveness of 100MG and 200MG so that is why it had no effect medically.  The side effects of 200MG would obviously be worse but did not go away fully with the reduction because no one was trying to make sure she took the countering agent. I wonder why that is the case because they should have done so to try to improve her daily life. 
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« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2015, 07:19:PM »
Have just finished reading 'Mummy is a Killer' by Nikkia Roberson. Brilliant book! I have tried to link it here from Amazon and cant for some reason.
Nikkia's mother was mentally ill and religious and also used cocaine. She killed Nikkia's siblings aged 5 and 6 during an 'episode' by pouring scalding water on them. She believed they were posessed by the Devil and it needed 'boiling' out of them. This occurred in Amityville in 1998. It is worth a read in that it gives an insight into how the personalities and moods of those with Scizophrenia can change in an instant. Very sad story though.

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« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2015, 07:25:PM »
Have just finished reading 'Mummy is a Killer' by Nikkia Roberson. Brilliant book! I have tried to link it here from Amazon and cant for some reason.
Nikkia's mother was mentally ill and religious and also used cocaine. She killed Nikkia's siblings aged 5 and 6 during an 'episode' by pouring scalding water on them. She believed they were posessed by the Devil and it needed 'boiling' out of them. This occurred in Amityville in 1998. It is worth a read in that it gives an insight into how the personalities and moods of those with Scizophrenia can change in an instant. Very sad story though.

Thanks Tyler, I´ll try to put up a link to it and see if it works.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mummy-Killer-Nikkia-Roberson/dp/009194970X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423423458&sr=8-1&keywords=Nikkia+Roberson

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« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2015, 07:29:PM »
He stated that prior to her readmission she kept stop taking her medication and missing appointments. 
She was on low dose medication prior to her admission and when he returned her to such low dose medication she reverted to thoughts of Freddie as the devil for supplying her with Cocaine etc.  That's why he told Colin Freddie was not a good influence on her. He changed her medication to Haloperidol and to injections at that because her history of not taking her medication and prior medication not working when the dosage was reduced.

He said that based on she told her doctor and the observations of her friends her dose was too high and she was oversedated. Our current state of medicine makes clear she wa sindeed overdosed, more than 100MG is not considered safe.  Even 100MG is a lot though and they prescribe a countering agent.  She wasn't taking that agent and that helps explain why the 100MG still had such a strong effect on her.

Note that after the reduction to 100MG she didn't show any of the signs that she had when she was moved to her low dose medication she had trouble with in the hospital.  There is no difference in clinical effectiveness of 100MG and 200MG so that is why it had no effect medically.  The side effects of 200MG would obviously be worse but did not go away fully with the reduction because no one was trying to make sure she took the countering agent. I wonder why that is the case because they should have done so to try to improve her daily life.


I can find nowhere in the link that Steve put up which says anything about her readmission being due to that she's stopped taking her meds. It may however be in another statement. He also in sn't entirely conclusive that her lack of interest in the children was due to the drugs being reduced but could in fact be due to her overall mental state.

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« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2015, 07:30:PM »
I can well believe how the change of personality manifests itself through drug-taking alone. Sheila used cocaine pretty frequently in her final year of life,along with cannabis and of course her mental illness on top of everything else.
I'd have said that Sheila was in a bad way. Too many people buried their heads I'm afraid.