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Offline Caroline

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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2015, 11:36:AM »
But his head was facing away from the window and I suspect could not be seen by anyone from that position?

If Nevill was directly behind the door (which he couldn't have been because there is a chair there), he probably wouldn't have been seen, but from where he is situated in the CSP, I'd say he could have been seen from the window. However, none of us can say for sure because we haven't looked through the window.
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« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2015, 11:57:AM »
During examination of the bullets which were contained within the bodies of the families,there was one bullet from Nicholas which had been described as a  "swaged" bullet.
Is anyone familiar with such a bullet as it appears differently " made " from others ? Also,would it fire from the same rifle ? Or is it more an air-rifle product ?
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« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2015, 12:00:PM »
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« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2015, 12:33:PM »
The chair behind the door as in crime scene pic means nothing. We can't know if it was there when the raid team entered and placed back there or if it was never there at all.

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« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2015, 12:57:PM »
Seemingly they had a hard job getting into the farmhouse as " something " was blocking the door ?

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« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2015, 01:15:PM »
I still can not get my head round the theory that they would have been radioing BEFORE entering the room - surely they would have approached - broken in the kitchen - then radioed what they found ON ENTRY . In which case there should have been no mistakes .

They were not rookies after all.

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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2015, 01:28:PM »
I agree Jan. That is the most simplistic explanation and I believe it is the truth. Those that believe Jeremy to be guilty cannot accept it as it throws up too many problems for them.

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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2015, 01:59:PM »
During examination of the bullets which were contained within the bodies of the families,there was one bullet from Nicholas which had been described as a  "swaged" bullet.
Is anyone familiar with such a bullet as it appears differently " made " from others ? Also,would it fire from the same rifle ? Or is it more an air-rifle product ?

found this :

In internal ballistics, swaging describes the process of the bullet entering the barrel and being squeezed to conform to the rifling. Most firearm bullets are made slightly larger than the inside diameter of the barrel, so that they are swaged to engage the rifling and form a tight seal upon firing. Compare to obturate.

In ammunition manufacture, swaged bullets are bullets manufactured by swaging room temperature metals into a die to form it into the shape of a bullet. The other common manufacturing method is casting, which uses molten metals poured into a mold. Since metals expand when heated and contract when cooled, cast bullets must be cast with a mold slightly larger than the desired finish size, so that as the molten metal cools, it will harden at just the right point to shrink to the desired size. In contrast, swaged bullets, since they are formed at the temperature at which they will be used, can be formed in molds of the exact desired size. This means that swaged bullets are generally more precise than cast bullets. The swaging process also leads to fewer imperfections, since voids commonly found in casting would be pressed out in the swaging process. The swaging process in reference to cold flow of metals into bullets is the process not of squeezing the metals into smaller forms but rather pressing smaller thinner items to form into shorter and slightly wider shapes.

Individuals who make their own bullets usually are not aware of available manual specialized equipment and dies required for swaging bullets, and thus choose to make cast bullets. To get high precision results, it is common to cast the bullets slightly oversized, then swage the resulting castings through a die to do the final forming. Since the amount of pressure required to size the bullet is far less than that required to form a bullet, a simple mechanical press can be used, often the same press used for handloading ammunition.

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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2015, 02:28:PM »
I agree Jan. That is the most simplistic explanation and I believe it is the truth. Those that believe Jeremy to be guilty cannot accept it as it throws up too many problems for them.
Yes I agree. So things that throw up too many questions they just reject as "mistakes" because their minds cannot handle it as it doesn't fit in with their precious scenarios.

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« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2015, 02:34:PM »
found this :

In internal ballistics, swaging describes the process of the bullet entering the barrel and being squeezed to conform to the rifling. Most firearm bullets are made slightly larger than the inside diameter of the barrel, so that they are swaged to engage the rifling and form a tight seal upon firing. Compare to obturate.

In ammunition manufacture, swaged bullets are bullets manufactured by swaging room temperature metals into a die to form it into the shape of a bullet. The other common manufacturing method is casting, which uses molten metals poured into a mold. Since metals expand when heated and contract when cooled, cast bullets must be cast with a mold slightly larger than the desired finish size, so that as the molten metal cools, it will harden at just the right point to shrink to the desired size. In contrast, swaged bullets, since they are formed at the temperature at which they will be used, can be formed in molds of the exact desired size. This means that swaged bullets are generally more precise than cast bullets. The swaging process also leads to fewer imperfections, since voids commonly found in casting would be pressed out in the swaging process. The swaging process in reference to cold flow of metals into bullets is the process not of squeezing the metals into smaller forms but rather pressing smaller thinner items to form into shorter and slightly wider shapes.

Individuals who make their own bullets usually are not aware of available manual specialized equipment and dies required for swaging bullets, and thus choose to make cast bullets. To get high precision results, it is common to cast the bullets slightly oversized, then swage the resulting castings through a die to do the final forming. Since the amount of pressure required to size the bullet is far less than that required to form a bullet, a simple mechanical press can be used, often the same press used for handloading ammunition.





Now that's very interesting,Jan,but I bet you anything,it will go right over heads.!

Nicholas was the only one who had such a remark against the official examination. This little child suffered 5 shots.

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« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2015, 02:35:PM »
I still can not get my head round the theory that they would have been radioing BEFORE entering the room - surely they would have approached - broken in the kitchen - then radioed what they found ON ENTRY . In which case there should have been no mistakes .

They were not rookies after all.



It may have had to do with where they thought the children were. If they'd believed that they were being held hostage in some way, they'd have been very cautious in their approach.

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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2015, 02:36:PM »
This bullet would have been found in the box which was found in the main bedroom ? Loose bullets ?

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Now that's very interesting,Jan,but I bet you anything,it will go right over heads.!

Nicholas was the only one who had such a remark against the official examination. This little child suffered 5 shots.


It certainly goes over mine, Lookout. Cyrillic might be easier.

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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2015, 02:43:PM »

It certainly goes over mine, Lookout. Cyrillic might be easier.




April,unless it held your interest,it most certainly would do.

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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2015, 04:43:PM »
Described as such by people who weren't at the scene though, right?

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