'Bob' Millers notebook, confirms SC's body found on bed, and RB sat on chair...

[Roch]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

It seems to have taken them a long time to correct their little error, considering they called for the coronor, in relation to (1) a murder... and (2) a suicide.  Also, how would you explain the later message that came through concerning  the search of house having been completed and  'a further three bodies found'.  That's two bodies found on entry, a further three bodies found on completing the search.  In your version, would it not be one body found on entry and a further four bodies found on completion of search?  And where does the description of suicide come from?  Do you mean police thought that RNB had been murdered but also committed suicide simultaneously? (not to mention swapping sex)

This has all been proved in court from the 2002 appeal that it was only one dead male, like the so called Ralphs call so why keep going over old ground

With due respect. The appeal judges may have bought Essex Police's reasoning but I'm afraid I cant.  You cant have two bodies found on entry then a further three bodies found upon completion of search, miraculously changing in to an alternative 1/4 ratio.  You cant have a murder and a suicide called in on the logs, before the further three bodies have even been found on completion (unless SC is found upon entry).

Well said, Rocky!

You can't which is fair enough but where it counts infront of the judges who have all the evidence it does, This is why he's still locked away i'm afraid for you and those are facts not hearsay.

I see what you mean.  And it appears you see what I mean also.  I think this one is a stalemate 

[Roch]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

It seems to have taken them a long time to correct their little error, considering they called for the coronor, in relation to (1) a murder... and (2) a suicide.  Also, how would you explain the later message that came through concerning  the search of house having been completed and  'a further three bodies found'.  That's two bodies found on entry, a further three bodies found on completing the search.  In your version, would it not be one body found on entry and a further four bodies found on completion of search?  And where does the description of suicide come from?  Do you mean police thought that RNB had been murdered but also committed suicide simultaneously? (not to mention swapping sex)

This has all been proved in court from the 2002 appeal that it was only one dead male, like the so called Ralphs call so why keep going over old ground

With due respect. The appeal judges may have bought Essex Police's reasoning but I'm afraid I cant.  You cant have two bodies found on entry then a further three bodies found upon completion of search, miraculously changing in to an alternative 1/4 ratio.  You cant have a murder and a suicide called in on the logs, before the further three bodies have even been found on completion (unless SC is found upon entry).

Well said, Rocky!

 

[chochokeira]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs

and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman

which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man

that was reported by the operator that i male and female

but she should have cancelled the female at the time

as it was the same person but she didn't know,

that's why she logged one dead male and female.

Hope that clears things up for you!

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No they are your lovely facts TB, just look under the 2002 judgement of his last rejected appeal. :D

Also, Richard, why do you call me TB?  I'm sure I've seen you call others TB too. Do you seriously believe that I am TB, or is this another of your unique semantic slips?

[Richard lee]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs

and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman

which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man

that was reported by the operator that i male and female

but she should have cancelled the female at the time

as it was the same person but she didn't know,

that's why she logged one dead male and female.

Hope that clears things up for you!

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No they are your lovely facts TB, just look under the 2002 judgement of his last rejected appeal. :D

Also, Richard, why do you call me TB?  I'm sure I've seen you call others TB too. Do you seriously believe that I am TB, or is this another of your unique semantic slips?

what does TB stand for do you know and if so sure he is innocent why is he still banged up?

[Richard lee]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs

and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman

which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man

that was reported by the operator that i male and female

but she should have cancelled the female at the time

as it was the same person but she didn't know,

that's why she logged one dead male and female.

Hope that clears things up for you!

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No they are your lovely facts TB, just look under the 2002 judgement of his last rejected appeal. :D

Also, Richard, why do you call me TB?  I'm sure I've seen you call others TB too. Do you seriously believe that I am TB, or is this another of your unique semantic slips?

i don't know why you quetion these facts cause if you knew all about the case you would see the 2 bodies in kitchen etc was wrong, if you think he's so innocent look at the whole picture 

[ngb1066]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs

and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman

which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man

that was reported by the operator that i male and female

but she should have cancelled the female at the time

as it was the same person but she didn't know,

that's why she logged one dead male and female.

Hope that clears things up for you!

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No they are your lovely facts TB, just look under the 2002 judgement of his last rejected appeal. :D

Also, Richard, why do you call me TB?  I'm sure I've seen you call others TB too. Do you seriously believe that I am TB, or is this another of your unique semantic slips?

what does TB stand for do you know and if so sure he is innocent why is he still banged up?

Are you prepared to let us know the identity of "TB"?  It may not be important but I am confused.

[grahameb]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs

and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman

which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man

that was reported by the operator that i male and female

but she should have cancelled the female at the time

as it was the same person but she didn't know,

that's why she logged one dead male and female.

Hope that clears things up for you!

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No they are your lovely facts TB, just look under the 2002 judgement of his last rejected appeal. :D

Also, Richard, why do you call me TB?  I'm sure I've seen you call others TB too. Do you seriously believe that I am TB, or is this another of your unique semantic slips?

what does TB stand for do you know and if so sure he is innocent why is he still banged up?

The only reason Richard is calling you TB is because he believes you are someone else who is on Facebook. Yes that same facebook he/she professes not to be on because they have a life. You slipped up there didn't you "Richard".

richard lee, do you post on the facebook guilty page?

no sorry i dont use facebook i have a life

[Kaldin]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

I've also considered that, and I think the explanation is a reasonable one.

This business about "three further bodies" is a bit strange though. I guess if whoever was writing the log thought that two bodies were downstairs, and then they were told there were five bodies altogether, they might have assumed there were three upstairs, but even so it's a bit odd.

I think the logs need to be examined properly, and we need to know who wrote them and where they were written because there seem to be a few different ones floating around.

[chelmsey]

Kaldin,I am so  glad you brought this subject up.A mistake being made regarding 2 bodies in the kitchen........ok,well I can buy that.But then the TFU radio in 3 further bodies found upstairs.Another mistake? I dont think so.These are highly trained officers!

[mike tesko]

Kaldin,I am so  glad you brought this subject up.A mistake being made regarding 2 bodies in the kitchen........ok,well I can buy that.But then the TFU radio in 3 further bodies found upstairs.Another mistake? I dont think so.These are highly trained officers!

...Let us also not forget, that there was a very large bloodstain on the reverse of Shiela's nightdress that was not replicated on the bedroom carpet underneath where her body was photographed - so, where else could her body have been laid in blood?

[TJB65]

From what I have seen we cannot believe anything that has been said about the position of the bodies.

First we are told that there were two bodies lying on the floor downstairs and then later when the investigating officer and others go into the house the female had disappeared apparently upstairs.

Then we have different photos showing the rifle in differing positions on Sheila's body and another showing it leaning against the bedroom wall.  A really expert piece of investigating that is.

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man that was reported by the operator that i male and female but she should have cancelled the female at the time as it was the same person but she didn't know, that's why she logged one dead male and female. Hope that clears things up for you!

there was only one dead body in the kitchen which was Ralphs

and was mistakenly seen outside the window for a woman

which was reported to the operator and then when found it was a man

that was reported by the operator that i male and female

but she should have cancelled the female at the time

as it was the same person but she didn't know,

that's why she logged one dead male and female.

Hope that clears things up for you!

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No they are your lovely facts TB, just look under the 2002 judgement of his last rejected appeal. :D

Also, Richard, why do you call me TB?  I'm sure I've seen you call others TB too. Do you seriously believe that I am TB, or is this another of your unique semantic slips?

what does TB stand for do you know and if so sure he is innocent why is he still banged up?

The only reason Richard is calling you TB is because he believes you are someone else who is on Facebook. Yes that same facebook he/she professes not to be on because they have a life. You slipped up there didn't you "Richard".

richard lee, do you post on the facebook guilty page?

no sorry i dont use facebook i have a life

It's ok Grahame I think 'Mr' Lee thinks everyone's Me! it's a terrible thing is paranoia! You see I post under my own initials/name as I do on Facebook also, The name is Brazier, Tracy Brazier 

[Kaldin]

Kaldin,I am so  glad you brought this subject up.A mistake being made regarding 2 bodies in the kitchen........ok,well I can buy that.But then the TFU radio in 3 further bodies found upstairs.Another mistake? I dont think so.These are highly trained officers!

I agree, but I'm wondering if the TFU did actually radio that in or whether the person keeping the log misunderstood what was going on. That's why the logs need to be looked at again and it needs to be established who was writing them and where they were getting their information from - ie, whether it was first hand or second hand information.

[chelmsey]

Kaldin,I am so  glad you brought this subject up.A mistake being made regarding 2 bodies in the kitchen........ok,well I can buy that.But then the TFU radio in 3 further bodies found upstairs.Another mistake? I dont think so.These are highly trained officers!

...Let us also not forget, that there was a very large bloodstain on the reverse of Shiela's nightdress that was not replicated on the bedroom carpet underneath where her body was photographed - so, where else could her body have been laid in blood?

Mike I have thought long and hard about this too.Where DID the blood come from on the back of her nightdress? But the thing is,in the photographs we cannot see what is underneath Sheila.

[shonapugs]

Mike, by your reckoning, wouldn't the blood either be on the kitchen floor, or on Ralph and June's bed?

[clifford]

I do not want to offend so excuse me. I thought that Ralphs pyjama trousers were round his ankles.
Even a nun would have reckonised this as a male yet this highly trained officer said he saw a dead female through the window.