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Offline Caroline

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2015, 06:55:PM »
If he was that cautious, why tell her anything at all?

Only he knows that.
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2015, 09:12:PM »
AP was left " holding the fort " at Goldhanger,a day or two after the tragedy in order to let Jeremy do any necessary running around that had to be done.
If there had been anything untoward within Jeremys' house during this time,I'm sure AP would have spotted it. Like the odd spot of blood,mud,heap of soiled clothes,anything that would have indicated or implicated Jeremy as having been responsible for a vicious confrontation.
Obviously nothing to report,and Jeremy couldn't have been bothered about leaving his home to the mercy of others. So nothing there to report in AE's notebook.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2015, 12:32:PM »
There was a damn big patch of blood on the back of Sheilas' nightdress,of which not much has been mentioned,least of all whose it was and where it came from,as there was no such patch in the bedroom where she lay. ( wasn't tested )
The only patch/pool of blood I can think of was the one in the kitchen near to the dresser. Dependant on the pattern of blood on the nightdress,it would tell us if she'd been moved from there if there were " ruching " patterns of the blood as in being moved,or moving ( to the bedroom to be PLACED on the floor with a little rug underneath her,then the rifle PLACED on her body. )
I think Sheila had died in the kitchen with her father.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2015, 12:55:PM »
There was a damn big patch of blood on the back of Sheilas' nightdress,of which not much has been mentioned,least of all whose it was and where it came from,as there was no such patch in the bedroom where she lay. ( wasn't tested )
The only patch/pool of blood I can think of was the one in the kitchen near to the dresser. Dependant on the pattern of blood on the nightdress,it would tell us if she'd been moved from there if there were " ruching " patterns of the blood as in being moved,or moving ( to the bedroom to be PLACED on the floor with a little rug underneath her,then the rifle PLACED on her body. )
I think Sheila had died in the kitchen with her father.



Neither was there any on  the bed where she was supposed to have lain. I don't imaging such a copious amount of blood would have dried THAT quickly. Thus far we've had Sheila running around the house, on the kitchen  floor, on the bedroom floor and on the bed. Whilst there are supposedly photo's of her nearly everywhere in the house, THUS far, the only ones WE have seen are those where she is on the bedroom floor.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2015, 01:35:PM »
Well, I must have said a million times (slight exaggeration) that I think the silencer was planted and purposely contaminated 'before' it arrived at the lab (whenever that was). I think SJ et al were certain Jeremy was guilty but were afraid they didn't have enough evidence and so - they helped it along. Even with the silencer evidence and JM's statement under his belt, SJ still commented that they might not have enough to satisfy the CPS.

As for JM, I don't think Jeremy told her all that actually happened, I think he only told her part of it, slotted in a few red herrings and completely made up the hit man story. I think he did so just in case she told someone and if her story was checked out, she would be discredited. I also think that SJ threatened her with an accessory prosecution so she was keen to give a statement and didn't mind embroidering the truth a little to save her own skin.

I believe Jeremy is guilty because the whole phone call scenario just doesn't tally with the timings and I can't excuse how the timings are now being shifted just to try and fit in a call from Nevill to police - which I believe is complete fiction. This together with the fact that he avoided answering the question about the wallet, made me suspicious 'initially' and once doubt sets in, you start to look at things differently.

How did SJ expertly contaminate the silencer prior to it going to the lab ? Did he have access to Sheila and a gun that fitted the silencer ?

Stan Jones had no record of improper conduct. He suddenly took a big risk.

Does this mean the silencer the relatives gave him, had nothing on ?
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2015, 01:48:PM »
How did SJ expertly contaminate the silencer prior to it going to the lab ? Did he have access to Sheila and a gun that fitted the silencer ?

Stan Jones had no record of improper conduct. He suddenly took a big risk.

Does this mean the silencer the relatives gave him, had nothing on ?


After the way they all appeared to have manhandled it to give it the once over I imagine there'd have been plenty on it.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2015, 01:48:PM »
How did SJ expertly contaminate the silencer prior to it going to the lab ? Did he have access to Sheila and a gun that fitted the silencer ?

Stan Jones had no record of improper conduct. He suddenly took a big risk.

Does this mean the silencer the relatives gave him, had nothing on ?

I've already answered those questions or similar, you'll find the answers in the old threads - happy reading  ;) ;D
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Offline Adam

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2015, 01:51:PM »
I've already answered those questions or similar, you'll find the answers in the old threads - happy reading  ;) ;D

I do not recall you answering these questions.

It was only yesterday when you finally said SJ contaminated the silencer and the relatives handed him a silencer with nothing on.
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Offline Jane

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2015, 01:56:PM »
I do not recall you answering these questions.

It was only yesterday when you finally said SJ contaminated the silencer and the relatives handed him a silencer with nothing on.



Seems VERY odd that as you appear to be SO certain "it was only yesterday....................", -presumably as opposed to any OTHER time- yet have no recall of other questions being answered.

Offline Adam

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2015, 01:59:PM »


Seems VERY odd that as you appear to be SO certain "it was only yesterday....................", -presumably as opposed to any OTHER time- yet have no recall of other questions being answered.

Try and discuss the case. Rather than just me.

I know I am you're new and only purpose in life after you realised Bamber is guilty. 

It was yesterday, after Caroline engaged with Patti and Dan.
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2015, 02:02:PM »
Try and discuss the case. Rather than just me.

I know I am you're new and only purpose in life after you realised Bamber is guilty. 

It was yesterday, after Caroline engaged with Patti and Dan.



So you're clearly saying that you're so au fait with Caroline's posts that you can say exactly when she says what.............................however, it seems there are some things of which you have no recall.

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2015, 02:03:PM »
I do not recall you answering these questions.

It was only yesterday when you finally said SJ contaminated the silencer and the relatives handed him a silencer with nothing on.

I am sure others will confirm that I have discussed the above MANY times. Like I said, read some of the threads that YOU didn't create - the answers are all there. Happy reading!
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Offline Adam

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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2015, 02:09:PM »


So you're clearly saying that you're so au fait with Caroline's posts that you can say exactly when she says what.............................however, it seems there are some things of which you have no recall.

Well I politely asked Caroline straight forward questions in post 80. After she said SJ contaminated the silencer.

Rather than answer, she abruptly claimed she had already answered. Although she had never said SJ contaminated the silencer before. As Patti said yesterday.

She then advised me to look through all the posts to find her alleged answers. 

My conclusion to this is -

There is no explanation on how SJ could expertly put Sheila's blood in the silencer. Days or weeks later.

There is no justification why SJ would do this.

There is no reason why the relatives would hand in a silencer with nothing on.
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Re: Why did the police frame Jeremy ?
« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2015, 02:12:PM »
Well I politely asked Caroline straight forward questions in post 80. After she said SJ contaminated the silencer.

Rather than answer, she abruptly claimed she had already answered. Although she had never said SJ contaminated the silencer before. As Patti said yesterday.

She then advised me to look through all the posts to find her alleged answers. 

My conclusion to this is -

There is no explanation on how SJ could expertly put Sheila's blood in the silencer. Days or weeks later.

There is no justification why SJ would do this.

There is no reason why the relatives would hand in a silencer with nothing on.



OK. So you've given us your opinion.