Did Bamber steal June's bike ?

[Alias]

If you have read 'Blood Relations' how an earth could you have believed Bamber innocent ?

It is an unbiased book that just reports on the facts. But the mountain of incriminating evidence shows his guilt. As the five star reviews on Amazon say.

It´s just a true crime book. A genre with often dubious authors. You cannot put credence into a true crime book.
I have only read one book on the case, and that is Colin´s, which is interesting because he was so directly connected to the case.

Of course an author will claim to have good knowledge of the case - they want to sell books, but they weren´t there and basically don´t know any more or  any less than any other person with an interest in the case.
I have seen some true crime documentaries on the case - they are all vastly incorrect for the most part. The books too is my guess.

[Adam]

It´s just a true crime book. A genre with often dubious authors. You cannot put credence into a true crime book.
I have only read one book on the case, and that is Colin´s, which is interesting because he was so directly connected to the case.

Of course an author will claim to have good knowledge of the case - they want to sell books, but they weren´t there and basically don´t know any more or  any less than any other person with an interest in the case.
I have seen some true crime documentaries on the case - they are all vastly incorrect for the most part. The books too is my guess.

Well he interviewed everyone. Including Bamber, excluding Julie.

He wrote the book in 1996. So was not jumping on the trial band wagon. In fact at that time Bamber's fame was probably at an all time low. So he was not writing the book for a quick buck. He is an investigative author.

Bamber is now a lot more famous. Reports of three books now being written is not a coincidence.

[Alias]

Well he interviewed everyone. Including Bamber, excluding Julie.

He wrote the book in 1996. So was not jumping on the trial band wagon. In fact at that time Bamber's fame was probably at an all time low. So he was not writing the book for a quick buck. He is an investigative author.

Bamber is now a lot more famous. Reports of three books now being written is not a coincidence.

It was still all sifted through his brain. I have no need to read any of the books.

[Adam]

It was still all sifted through his brain. I have no need to read any of the books.

I read everything online, on two forums and all the Youtube videos. Together with one book.

Might buy a new book. Will read reviews first.

[Jane]

If you have read 'Blood Relations' how an earth could you have believed Bamber innocent ?

It is an unbiased book that just reports on the facts. But the mountain of incriminating evidence shows his guilt. As the five star reviews on Amazon say.

Adam, I read a lot of historical biographies. Some authors treat the same subject so differently that they might be different people they're writing about. One gets to know what an author thinks of a character OR what he/she wants the reader to believe of a character. At the end of the day, it's just another person's opinion.

[Jan]

Anyone that has read up the case knows there was mud on the wheels. Only the 'pig ignorant' don't.

Do you believe Bamber stole the bike. Or he said 'pretty' please and 'thanks a lot mum' to June after she very kindly gave him a bike ?

Anyway, Bamber's reason for getting the bike (just before the massacre) is simply too weak. Hardcore supporters will fight tooth and nail to defend it. Just as they did with the kitchen window after I provided twelve sources ! 

Bamber was a very lazy and an unpleasant person. Even his supporters say this. But getting the bike so Julie could cycle three miles when going home. To save himself five minutes of driving, is simply ridiculous.

Watch your words Adam you are bordering on being rude again - There is a difference between mud and forensic evidence. As they would have been making assumptions about what route he might have taken then how do you know what type of mud they were looking for - and it would be blood from the crime that would be forensic evidence. The mud could have come from when he rode the bike from the farm it proves nothing.

[Jan]

If you have read 'Blood Relations' how an earth could you have believed Bamber innocent ?

It is an unbiased book that just reports on the facts. But the mountain of incriminating evidence shows his guilt. As the five star reviews on Amazon say.

Perhaps it was written before some "evidence " that was previously unknown has come to light.

[Adam]

Watch your words Adam you are bordering on being rude again - There is a difference between mud and forensic evidence. As they would have been making assumptions about what route he might have taken then how do you know what type of mud they were looking for - and it would be blood from the crime that would be forensic evidence. The mud could have come from when he rode the bike from the farm it proves nothing.

Another poster said 'pig ignorant' before me.

[Jane]

I think the most the Defence can hope for now bar a miracle is for Jeremy's conviction to be quashed on some technicality,which I believe is the purpose of Mike's Eureka moment thread.

I concur entirely. I think the ONLY way Jeremy will be released IS on a technicality, which there probably is scope for because of the way the exhibits were handled -excuse the pun- and the trial was conducted. I will just add that this has ALWAYS been my opinion, believing him guilty doesn't alter it.

[Alias]

I think it is too late for Jeremy to have a life worth talking about should he be released. Think about how much the world has changed. It is nothing like it was in the eighties - dramatic changes.
Also cannot imagine what 30+ years behind bars does to a person. How would he cope in the real and changed world?
I think Jeremy will be very unhappy if he is not freed and very unhappy if he is freed. There is no win for him.
I hope he is guilty, I really do.

[lookout]

 Jeremy won't be happy with a technicality at all,but if it remains his only " get out of jail free " card,then he has no option.If he demands the truth,then he'll be kept in,as with a technicality, I'm not sure you can take a case any further once you're released,unless it's a High Court job. I'm not sure. This includes not being able to pursue the relatives for lost revenue,etc,etc.

[Jane]

Another poster said 'pig ignorant' before me.

So you feel you have to copy everything we do. That could be useful. However, the other poster didn't make sarcastic comments about the tone Jeremy may have taken with his mother.

[Jan]

I think it is too late for Jeremy to have a life worth talking about should he be released. Think about how much the world has changed. It is nothing like it was in the eighties - dramatic changes.
Also cannot imagine what 30+ years behind bars does to a person. How would he cope in the real and changed world?
I think Jeremy will be very unhappy if he is not freed and very unhappy if he is freed. There is no win for him.
I hope he is guilty, I really do.

I totally agree - if he is released on a technicality then what life will he have .

And I agree with you because if he is innocent then his is one of the worst MOJ ever.

[Patti]

I totally agree - if he is released on a technicality then what life will he have .

And I agree with you because if he is innocent then his is one of the worst MOJ ever.

Trouble is Jan there has been lots of technicalities already raised in two appeals and in three submissions to the CCRC.

One would think if he was going to get out on a technicality, then he would already be out on a technicality.

But, who knows, more technicalities might be found? It could be, that, new evidence has arrived via EP? or could the 30 year rule of holding evidence under PII be imminent for release?

I know this sounds sad, but I feel there is no loop hole or new technicality for Jeremy.  He is where he is and in my opinion he is likely to stay there.   I have my reasons for saying that.  Innocent or guilty I think all avenues have been exhausted.

I also think that any information that someone may hold that would help Jeremy will never be known. 

I hope he keeps on fighting and I honestly believe he was stitched up, but believing is not evidence enough to get him released. 

[Mr. Gee]

This is not strictly true. There was yellow sulphurous mud on the tyres,which locals will know comes from that area. I don't see a woman glorying in riding a bike through mud for any purpose,whilst a man might well for recreation or dare I say it other reasons.

Steve the bike was forensically tested and the mud on it was not from that area. That is a fact and is well documented. The police dismissed it as evidence although the prosecution still hammered it home to the jury without any kind of evidence that it was mind you that it was used. But forensic examination says quite categorically that it wasn't.