Did Bamber steal June's bike ?

[Jane]

Why did Jeremy agree with MM's testimony if she lied ?

MM said nice things when testifying. He called her 'mummy' and offered her June's car.

Why don't you write to Jeremy and ask HIM. Nothing like getting information from the horse's mouth, is there. No need to be afraid -you can say all the things you say here- he's safely behind bars. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you. I'm told he replies to everybody.

[Alias]

Do you believe Jeremy stole or was given the bike ?

Jee, Adam, I don´t know, do you? There is a third possibility which you don´t mention, he could have borrowed it.
A question for you: why do you choose to be so annoying?

[Adam]

I have read in Lomaxs book I think that Jeremy saved most of the money himself which he used for  travelling however if he didn't as you point out Sheila had many bailouts et. So fair's, fair, make your mind up. Did Jeremy have a reason to resent Sheila? Yes driving lessons are expensive but something that many parents consider necessary expenditure on their children if they can afford it.  I would imagine a driving licence and in time a HGV licence would be necessary to use him at his full capacity on the farm.  In one breath you claim Jeremy resented Sheila getting all the financial help and a free flat in London while he has to slog on the farm the next minute he's being bank rolled on travels round the world, ??

Bamber went abroad directly after failing his A levels in 1978.  So not sure how he could support himself.

He returned to England for a  period before going abroad again in 1983. In the middle of the summer harvest/17 hour days. Again, not sure how he could afford this on a low income.

Total time abroad was 20 months I believe.

Anyway, the financing for jaunts abroad stopped. Jeremy was outraged.

[Mr. Gee]

Bamber went abroad directly after failing his A levels in 1978.  So not sure how he could support himself.

He returned to England for a  period before going abroad again in 1983. In the middle of the summer harvest/17 hour days. Again, not sure how he could afford this on a low income.

Total time abroad was 20 months I believe.

Anyway, the financing for jaunts abroad stopped. Jeremy was outraged.

So what age would that have made him, 16, 17?

[Adam]

Jee, Adam, I don´t know, do you? There is a third possibility which you don´t mention, he could have borrowed it.
A question for you: why do you choose to be so annoying?

I am creating a thread on something the courts certainly discussed and the jury almost certainly discussed.

Borrowed it ? Yes perhaps he wanted to go on a summer
country bike ride. On a woman's bike. I have heard the seawall route was very pleasant in August.

[Adam]

So what age would that have made him, 16, 17?

Age 19. He re took his 'A' levels at college.  Failing again.

[Jane]

Bamber went abroad directly after failing his A levels in 1978.  So not sure how he could support himself.

He returned to England for a  period before going abroad again in 1983. In the middle of the summer harvest/17 hour days. Again, not sure how he could afford this on a low income.

Total time abroad was 20 months I believe.

Anyway, the financing for jaunts abroad stopped. Jeremy was outraged.

I don't know how you quantify "low income". I certainly wouldn't have turned my (unpicked) nose up at that amount of POCKET MONEY -because that's what it amounted to- in the 1980's. Whilst you appear to set Jeremy apart from ALL his contemporaries, his life style was no different from any other young males of his class. You sound very resentful about your parents not gifting you new bikes.

[Adam]

I don't know how you quantify "low income". I certainly wouldn't have turned my (unpicked) nose up at that amount of POCKET MONEY -because that's what it amounted to- in the 1980's. Whilst you appear to set Jeremy apart from ALL his contemporaries, his life style was no different from any other young males of his class. You sound very resentful about your parents not gifting you new bikes.

Yes I was very upset that the last bike bought for me was when I was 15.

Jeremy got given bikes at 24. Women's bikes for a girlfriend that occasionally visited in a declining relationship.

Mind you if you don't ask...

[Jane]

Yes I was very upset that the last bike bought for me was when I was 15.

Jeremy got given bikes at 24. Women's bikes for a girlfriend that occasionally visited in a declining relationship.

Mind you if you don't ask...

So perhaps you should have........................on the other hand perhaps you'd gone off bikes by the time you were 15.

[maggie]

Bamber went abroad directly after failing his A levels in 1978.  So not sure how he could support himself.

He returned to England for a  period before going abroad again in 1983. In the middle of the summer harvest/17 hour days. Again, not sure how he could afford this on a low income.

Total time abroad was 20 months I believe.

Anyway, the financing for jaunts abroad stopped. Jeremy was outraged.

Neither yourself or I may know how he did it but apparently he did but if he didn't what of it? As I have said before it's normal enough behaviour for a young man with wealthy parents. It speaks volumes about Robert Boutflours narrow minded attitude IMO and what has it got to do with him who paid for Jeremy's flight. I don't know why you insist on calling Jeremy's travels 'jaunts' in that sarcastic way are you jealous of him? Don't believe a young man would ever use such an expression.

[Jan]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

                                  _________________

In case no one clicked on my link.

If Bamber never forgave June for sending him to boarding school, then there is a possibility the relationship broke down when he was 6.

Bamber contradicts himself here. Testifying that he agreed with MM's testimony. But telling Wilkes it broke down when he was 17.

Either way, it was a long time and  after robbing his parents it was not getting any better.

Adam you insinuated that the information about JB and june not talking came from Jeremy - now it appears the OS was julies Mother ?  So In other words the Fact that you presented that they had not talked for years came from the Mother of the star prosecution witness?

All Jeremy had ever said was that his relationship with June had been strained in the past but the couple of years before the murders their relationship had been better . Also Colin C who knew the family better NEVER said in his book that Jeremy and June never spoke to each other.

So your post was a misinterpretation of the facts.

And As for the title of your thread it is perfectly possible that Jeremy borrowed the bike from his Mother for Julie - so all you have is his word against hers -  so any comments will be opinion only.

[Mr. Gee]

Age 19. He re took his 'A' levels at college.  Failing again.

So how old was he when he was supposed to have murdered the family?

[Mr. Gee]

Age 19. He re took his 'A' levels at college.  Failing again.

I didn't take any A levels, does that make me a failure too? You appear to scoff at people who fail their exams?

[Jan]

BTW I financed trips abroad for both my children at the ages of 18/19  So I am not quite sure what your point is ?

And why the sarcastic comment about Jeremy writing in capital letters - what has that got to do with anything?

Are you not aware that in a murder trial it is not the persons Character that is on trial -hence why past records are not revealed? It is a trial on the evidence.

[Jan]

I am creating a thread on something the courts certainly discussed and the jury almost certainly discussed.

Borrowed it ? Yes perhaps he wanted to go on a summer
country bike ride. On a woman's bike. I have heard the seawall route was very pleasant in August.

Why the sarcasm - can you not make a point without it?