Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[Jane]

Well  I think in that if he is guilty he must be extremely stupid

not to check the house when he had the chance
Tell Julie
Break into the house after the murders
Not think about his behaviour after the murders and how it may be perceived.
Go along with Basil Cock and start thinking about the money and clearing the house.


Of course it could be that if innocent he was just a greedy person and thought financially Sheila had done him a favour .

Jan, there's no law that says murderers have to be members of MENSA

[Jane]

Yes, very stupid. He has just killed his whole family and staged the two shot murder of his sister as a suicide - yet he stands outside with a cop and says he didn´t like his sister much....

Good bit of reverse psychology, that. It worked, didn't it........................for a while.

[Alias]

Good bit of reverse psychology, that. It worked, didn't it........................for a while.

If he was using reverse psychology, he would have needed to be smart, right. 

[Jane]

If he was using reverse psychology, he would have needed to be smart, right. 

I guess, within his own capacity, he thought he was

[maggie]

Well  I think in that if he is guilty he must be extremely stupid

not to check the house when he had the chance
Tell Julie
Break into the house after the murders
Not think about his behaviour after the murders and how it may be perceived.
Go along with Basil Cock and start thinking about the money and clearing the house.


Of course it could be that if innocent he was just a greedy person and thought financially Sheila had done him a favour .

I do agree Jan, if Jeremy did it he was very careless to the point of stupidity, not much sign of calculated cunning, he may not be the most intelligent person but he has gained some educational qualifications in prison, has he got a degree in forensics? Can't remember but he has obviously got the ability to reason and understand so you would expect he would have been more careful. It's true psychopaths can be over confident and make mistakes but if guilty he did make a few real blunders.

[Mr. Gee]

NO, Grahame. You misunderstand me. I'm not looking at guilt versus innocence. I'm looking at a mind set. I'm certain that we're both aware that in a classroom there are children who will admit guilt as soon as the question is asked. These are generally children who have been made to FEEL guilt. The real culprit is capable of just sitting there. If someone else is fool enough to take the blame for their actions, more fool them.

If you read my post April you will see that it is mindset that I was talking about as well.

Not at all April. Even you said you would go along with what I said. So that's at least two people to acknowledge what a guilty person would do. But look at it logically. Would you let anyone else into a house that was going to be yours. I should think that the mindset of any crook or murdererwould do this. I should think if you took a vote of everyone on the forum most would say if it were they who committed the crime there will always be that niggle at the back of their minds that tells them to "make sure".
On the other hand the actions of an innocent man would be completely those of Bamber. Completely open with everyone, so much so as to allow all and sundry in the place.

You have just posted about guilt.

[Caroline]

Yes, very stupid. He has just killed his whole family and staged the two shot murder of his sister as a suicide - yet he stands outside with a cop and says he didn´t like his sister much....

Cept he thought he had that covered with the story of a call from his father saying Sheila had gone crazy. They didn't know everyone was already dead - so they were his alibi.

[Mr. Gee]

Cept he thought he had that covered with the story of a call from his father saying Sheila had gone crazy. They didn't know everyone was already dead - so they were his alibi.

Yet he never said it was his alibi. It is others who said it was his alibi.

[Adam]

Yes, very stupid. He has just killed his whole family and staged the two shot murder of his sister as a suicide - yet he stands outside with a cop and says he didn´t like his sister much....

Well he said Sheila would not be pleased to see either the police, or him. So a bit strange that they both ended up outside WHF.

He ' didn't like Sheila & she didn't like him'.

He was distancing himself from the 'gone crazy' 'nutter, looney, do lally, psychotic depressive woman who knew how to use guns & had committed child abuse on the twins'.

[Caroline]

I do agree Jan, if Jeremy did it he was very careless to the point of stupidity, not much sign of calculated cunning, he may not be the most intelligent person but he has gained some educational qualifications in prison, has he got a degree in forensics? Can't remember but he has obviously got the ability to reason and understand so you would expect he would have been more careful. It's true psychopaths can be over confident and make mistakes but if guilty he did make a few real blunders.

Oh I don't know, he almost got away with it and I hear some people still think he's innocent 

[Alias]

Cept he thought he had that covered with the story of a call from his father saying Sheila had gone crazy. They didn't know everyone was already dead - so they were his alibi.

How does saying he didn´t like Sheila serve as an alibi?

[Jane]

If you read my post April you will see that it is mindset that I was talking about as well.You have just posted about guilt.

Grahame, FEELING guilty and BEING guilty are entirely different.

[maggie]

Well he said Sheila would not be pleased to see either the police, or him. So a bit strange that they both ended up outside WHF.

He ' didn't like Sheila & she didn't like him'.

He was distancing himself from the 'gone crazy' 'nutter, looney, do lally, psychotic depressive woman who knew how to use guns & had committed child abuse on the twins'.

Think you'll find various versions of Jeremy's interpretation of his relationship with Sheila in police statements, Adam.  Don't think any of them are particularly accurate quotes.

[Caroline]

How does saying he didn´t like Sheila serve as an alibi?

It doesn't - I didn't say it did. The fact that he was outside talking to police while they thought Sheila was inside, holding the family hostage does.

[Caroline]

Yet he never said it was his alibi. It is others who said it was his alibi.

It's mentioned on his campaign page. But he doesn't need to mention it for it to be an alibi.