Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[Caroline]

Psychopaths are more often than not brilliant actors. They have no feelings, but are good at fooling people into believing they do.

But of course, Jeremy also sucks at being a psychopath. 

Yes, there aren't many psychopaths in the prison system because of how brilliantly they fool everyone.  No one said psychopaths don't make mistakes, they just believe they're brilliant, their over confidence tends to get them caught.

[Jane]

Well I'm sure there were not that many who thought they didn't get on? I rather think that after the murders occurred there were some who suddenly remembered certain isolated things that happened between them. I'm not convinced that the whole family were at war like some say. People's memories are a bit like microscopes and inflate things beyond that which was actually true?

Hey Grahame, I ENTIRELY AGREE. They were a family. On a scale of 1 to 10 dysfunction, I'd say 3-5 which puts them pretty close to mean average in my book. They had ups and down like other families. They undoubtedly experienced warmth and companionship at other times. What they WEREN'T was 100% either way.

[Alias]

Bamber is very good at fooling people.

It depends on whether an 'Inheritance killer' can be classed as a psychopath.

In my opinion, there is more to those murders than inheritance - they come across as rage killings. If Jeremy did commit them, he was livid.

[Alias]

Yes, there aren't many psychopaths in the prison system because of how brilliantly they fool everyone.  No one said psychopaths don't make mistakes, they just believe they're brilliant, their over confidence tends to get them caught.

So it is common for them to say to cops that they don´t like their victims much - the ones they staged as suicides?

[Adam]

In my opinion, there is more to those murders than inheritance - they come across as rage killings. If Jeremy did commit them, he was livid.

Well Bamber had no choice but to brutally beat Neville after he got downstairs. Every other bullet was clinically shot into the heads of June, Sheila and the twins.

[lookout]

I'd have put the murders as frenzied,an out of the mind and deranged killer. Is Jeremy it ? Deranged ?
Would it not have shown up in 30 years ? I'm well aware that a person can hide their " true " persona,but for this length of time ?

[Mr. Gee]

Bamber is very good at fooling people.

It depends on whether an 'Inheritance killer' can be classed as a psychopath.

Perhaps you could prove that point Adam about Bamber being good at fooling people? It that your own opinion, or did another tell you?

[Jane]

In my opinion, there is more to those murders than inheritance - they come across as rage killings. If Jeremy did commit them, he was livid.

If Jeremy had grown up having his needs denied because Sheila knew better than he how to get HER needs met, there's a strong possibility he'd have internalized all the resentment he felt until such time as it could no longer be contained.

[Adam]

Perhaps you could prove that point Adam about Bamber being good at fooling people? It that your own opinion, or did another tell you?

He fooled the police.

And Bob Woffinden. Who called him a very charming psychopath.

[maggie]

I'd have put the murders as frenzied,an out of the mind and deranged killer. Is Jeremy it ? Deranged ?
Would it not have shown up in 30 years ? I'm well aware that a person can hide their " true " persona,but for this length of time ?

I agree it certainly appears to be a rage killing, it could have been staged as such but it's pretty convincing.  He had never shown any sign before prison either, lookout, it usually shows up in relationships even if hidden from general view but no reports of any violence by girlfriends or casual partners.

[Mr. Gee]

Well Bamber had no choice but to brutally beat Neville after he got downstairs. Every other bullet was clinically shot into the heads of June, Sheila and the twins.

Adam the human body is much more frail than you may think. It is incredibly easy to kill somebody with much less force that you would believe. I knew someone whose Aunt was murdered in her house in Tiptree. She was strangled by her gardener for some reason and he remarked on how quickly she died and with not much effort. I don't go along with the trial judge who apparently said that Ralph put up a tremendous fight. I believe he was disabled by the bullets first and that it was Sheila who rained down those blows upon a very weak Ralph.

[Adam]

I agree it certainly appears to be a rage killing, it could have been staged as such but it's pretty convincing.  He had never shown any sign before prison either, lookout, it usually shows up in relationships even if hidden from general view but no reports of any violence by girlfriends or casual partners.

I will find the inheritance killers thread for you.

[lookout]

This is how it bubbled up inside Sheila after she'd told the world and its wife that she didn't get on with her mother and hadn't done for years,after having her morals scrutinised and questioned. And being tightly controlled. Something's bound to give eventually.

[maggie]

If Jeremy had grown up having his needs denied because Sheila knew better than he how to get HER needs met, there's a strong possibility he'd have internalized all the resentment he felt until such time as it could no longer be contained.

Its not normal behaviour though. Am sure plenty of siblings may feel like that but they don't react like that.

[Alias]

I agree it certainly appears to be a rage killing, it could have been staged as such but it's pretty convincing.  He had never shown any sign before prison either, lookout, it usually shows up in relationships even if hidden from general view but no reports of any violence by girlfriends or casual partners.

Not even Mugford brought up anything that pointed towards psychopathy. When she tried to smother him with a pillow, he wasn´t violent with her, just twisted her arm to stop her.