Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[Jane]

I think that is so April and didn't he so want to belong to a group at Gresham's,yet the boys found a weakness and played on it relentlessly,as Jeremy reluctantly fell back on his own meagre resources. How things might have been different had he been invited along on the exotic foreign holidays of his school contemporaries,which Jeremy made up for as soon as he was able with foreign jaunts of his own,yet still feeling inside vulnerable and inferior to the East Anglian landed gentry,who mocked and shunned him as a product of a tenant farmer tied to a board of trustees,whilst they lorded over everything and everyone with the immediate wherewithal to fulfil their most intimate desires.

Yes Steve, I think that's very much how it was for him. I'm not entirely convinced, that in actuality, it was as bad as you paint it but it's about how Jeremy may have experienced it as being. Every individual child would have had their own set of problems to deal with which is a part of what sets one against the other.

[Steve_uk]

Yes, that - and she accepted that June and Nevill were "written off". Steve, you are revealing here that you think that Julie was in on it.

No this was long before the execution,occuring around Christmas time 1984 when Jeremy's original plan was to burn down the Farm and present Robert Boutflour with a fait accompli as he came round for his Boxing Day afternoon sherry. I don't think Julie ever contributed to Jeremy's deliberations after that,apart from listening to him wearily after her day as a teacher,more out of politeness than acquiescence. What little more we can glean pre-murders is condensed from many months in his company and are only snippets such as the rat strangling which neither prove nor disprove Jeremy's guilt.

[Caroline]

Yes, that - and she accepted that June and Nevill were "written off". Steve, you are revealing here that you think that Julie was in on it.

Actually, in her saying that, she's kind of admitting it?

[Alias]

Yes Steve, I think that's very much how it was for him. I'm not entirely convinced, that in actuality, it was as bad as you paint it but it's about how Jeremy may have experienced it as being. Every individual child would have had their own set of problems to deal with which is a part of what sets one against the other.

He did say that it was harder to be at this boarding school than settling into jail life.
I have heard from others that boarding school life was torture. I hope there is more focus on protection of those poor kids these days!

[Jane]

But she thought he wouldn't execute his plan and told him to refrain from speaking about it. In a way the making up of a hitman story was his own attempt to spare her feelings and shows a modicum of respect for her.

Steve, believing "he wouldn't execute his plan" really doesn't exonerate her. It wasn't about any thoughts or decisions she may have made about "his plans" it was about her KNOWING what those plans were. The hitman story was probably about him believing that if she told such a stupid and contrived story, she'd lose all credibility.

[Alias]

Or there was a hitman - a helper. 

[Steve_uk]

Steve, believing "he wouldn't execute his plan" really doesn't exonerate her. It wasn't about any thoughts or decisions she may have made about "his plans" it was about her KNOWING what those plans were. The hitman story was probably about him believing that if she told such a stupid and contrived story, she'd lose all credibility.

But in his mind the Matthew MacDonald story was telling white lies. Had Jeremy ever lied to Julie during the two years or so they had been together? How did Julie know what Jeremy's plans were if she thought there was a possibility they would marry,or was Jeremy postponing the marriage because the idea came from June just another example of Jeremy's duplicitousness?

[Jane]

Or there was a hitman - a helper. 

It's more than a tad altruistic to serve a life sentence on ones own if someone else should be serving a similar, don't you think.

[Alias]

It's more than a tad altruistic to serve a life sentence on ones own if someone else should be serving a similar, don't you think.

Not if you maintain your innocense and hope to get out of jail - which Jeremy does to this day.

[Caroline]

But in his mind the Matthew MacDonald story was telling white lies. Had Jeremy ever lied to Julie during the two years or so they had been together? How did Julie know what Jeremy's plans were if she thought there was a possibility they would marry,or was Jeremy postponing the marriage because the idea came from June just another example of Jeremy's duplicitousness?

I don't supposed he offered up the info that he slept with Liz Rimmington!! 

[Alias]

I don't supposed he offered up the info that he slept with Liz Rimmington!! 

That´s not lying.... 

[Caroline]

That´s not lying.... 

It's not telling the truth either 

[Jane]

But in his mind the Matthew MacDonald story was telling white lies. Had Jeremy ever lied to Julie during the two years or so they had been together? How did Julie know what Jeremy's plans were if she thought there was a possibility they would marry,or was Jeremy postponing the marriage because the idea came from June just another example of Jeremy's duplicitousness?

LOTS of questions, Steve. Naturally, I can't answer with total certainty but I wouldn't imagine that their time together was completely free from lies. You ask, how did Julie know his plans re marriage. The answer is, she probably didn't but I suspect that because he never actually spelled it out, in words of one syllable, that he would never marry her, she took his silence as meaning that he eventually would because it's what she WANTED to believe.

[tyler]

That Nevill allegedly brought in the last trailer doesn't appear to have been questioned by any of the investigations possibly means that there was proof it occurred? We don't have Pamela Boutflour's full statements and so there is the possibility that June may have mentioned where Nevill was and what he was doing,during their 10pm phone conversation.

[Jan]

I don't supposed he offered up the info that he slept with Liz Rimmington!! 

well considering his alleged playboy status - I don't think he would have been shy about that.

I often wondered why Liz became embroiled with some of Julies "stories" do you think it was a case of two women scorned? Perhaps he made her some promises he did not keep?