Neville & Jeremy. The last blazing row ?

[Caroline]

I can see from your old posts that Julie told jones that the new tractor had a canopy - well if Jeremy was seen driving an old tractor  then I am sure they would have followed up.

As you yourself said before he was probably fed up with their inane questioning.

That's not what I meant Jan. I meant IF he brought the tractor back at 10:30(ish), he wouldn't want it known. When asked about it, he didn't want to answer and it may be because he didn't know if he'd been seen - ie. the tenants at the cottages might have identified him as the driver so he wanted to be sure why the question was being asked. When he found out it was just something Julie mentioned, he answered with no problems. Whether the tractor was old or new isn't the issue, it's what he thought he was being asked.

I can see why he didn't answer 'some' questions because Jones kept repeating things, however, the tractor question is different, it was benign on the surface, even Jones was surprised when he said 'no comment'.

[Steve_uk]

Do you mean a removable canopy?

Most tractors would have a canopy or cab to protect from the sun ? I am not sure where you are going with this ?

What was in Jeremy's mind as he tilled and harrowed that light gravelly soil,the canopy shielding him from the excesses of the midday sun and joggling gently in the breeze from the sea as backdrop..as Nicholas and Daniel stepped up to the machine and manoeuvred the gears it was Jeremy who remained firmly in control as he debated Julie's plea to spare the twins,at this point in his deliberations still unsure as to which course to take,unlike the monotonous regularity of the tractor,which always followed a familiar path,yet he determined ultimately that all should die,not out of any intrinsic emotion but from purely practical considerations as he looked back at the Farm in the distance and planned the slaughter down to the last detail..

[Jane]

What was in Jeremy's mind as he tilled and harrowed that light gravelly soil,the canopy shielding him from the excesses of the midday sun and joggling gently in the breeze from the sea as backdrop..as Nicholas and Daniel stepped up to the machine and manoeuvred the gears it was Jeremy who remained firmly in control as he debated Julie's plea to spare the twins,at this point in his deliberations still unsure as to which course to take,unlike the monotonous regularity of the tractor,which always followed a familiar path,yet he determined ultimately that all should die,not out of any intrinsic emotion but from purely practical considerations as he looked back at the Farm in the distance and planned the slaughter down to the last detail..

Steve, if you are saying that Julie pleaded with him to spare the twins, there can be no doubt that she knew categorically what was his plan. Might a desire to distance herself from it have been why she returned to London when she did?

[Alias]

What was in Jeremy's mind as he tilled and harrowed that light gravelly soil,the canopy shielding him from the excesses of the midday sun and joggling gently in the breeze from the sea as backdrop..as Nicholas and Daniel stepped up to the machine and manoeuvred the gears it was Jeremy who remained firmly in control as he debated Julie's plea to spare the twins,at this point in his deliberations still unsure as to which course to take,unlike the monotonous regularity of the tractor,which always followed a familiar path,yet he determined ultimately that all should die,not out of any intrinsic emotion but from purely practical considerations as he looked back at the Farm in the distance and planned the slaughter down to the last detail..

Where do you have that from?
And aren´t you actually (can hardly believe my eyes!) admitting that Julie was in on the whole thing?

P.S. how can you then defend her? I am puzzled - not mildly, but very!

[Steve_uk]

What was in Jeremy's mind as he tilled and harrowed that light gravelly soil,the canopy shielding him from the excesses of the midday sun and joggling gently in the breeze from the sea as backdrop..as Nicholas and Daniel stepped up to the machine and manoeuvred the gears it was Jeremy who remained firmly in control as he debated Julie's plea to spare the twins,at this point in his deliberations still unsure as to which course to take,unlike the monotonous regularity of the tractor,which always followed a familiar path,yet he determined ultimately that all should die,not out of any intrinsic emotion but from purely practical considerations as he looked back at the Farm in the distance and planned the slaughter down to the last detail..

..nothing more Jeremy liked by nature than to follow a crowd and be part of it,yet to stand apart when he so chose,and for a time associating with Sheila had been fun,but those days were now long in the past as he considered his next move and how others would react..

[Steve_uk]

I'm afraid it's contained within Julie's statement that she wondered out loud about the slaughter of Sheila,Nicholas and Daniel,whilst seemingly Nevill and June were written off. Might Jeremy have been thinking how Julie would respond to the massacre alongside cousin Ann,whom he would henceforth have to cooperate in the caravan park business,he already having made one attempt to keep the latter onside by the purchase and sending of a card on the occasion of her latest birthday.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, if you are saying that Julie pleaded with him to spare the twins, there can be no doubt that she knew categorically what was his plan. Might a desire to distance herself from it have been why she returned to London when she did?

It was fortuitous for her yes,but there was no alibi for Jeremy on the Tuesday evening as she could well have provided for him had they been co-conspirators as some suggest,neither did Jeremy consider Julie's wishes about sparing Sheila and the twins,which he might have done had he been totally under her spell.

[Jane]

..nothing more Jeremy liked by nature than to follow a crowd and be part of it,yet to stand apart when he so chose,and for a time associating with Sheila had been fun,but those days were now long in the past as he considered his next move and how others would react..

Steve, it is said that adopted children always stand apart from a crowd. If this IS so, Jeremy would have had no choice and it would have been MORE likely that he stood on the edge longing to be part of something he couldn't be part of.

[Jane]

It was fortuitous for her yes,but there was no alibi for Jeremy on the Tuesday evening as she could well have provided for him had they been co-conspirators as some suggest,neither did Jeremy consider Julie's wishes about sparing Sheila and the twins,which Jeremy might have done had he been totally under her spell.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying, Steve. In order for Julie to plead for the lives of Sheila and the twins she HAD to have known FULLY what he was planning. IMO, at this point, there is NO question of him being "under her spell." In fact HE said the relationship was in decline but I suspect Julie wasn't aware of it and was still hoping for marriage when he'd removed all obstacles preventing it.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, it is said that adopted children always stand apart from a crowd. If this IS so, Jeremy would have had no choice and it would have been MORE likely that he stood on the edge longing to be part of something he couldn't be part of.

I think that is so April and didn't he so want to belong to a group at Gresham's,yet the boys found a weakness and played on it relentlessly,as Jeremy reluctantly fell back on his own meagre resources. How things might have been different had he been invited along on the exotic foreign holidays of his school contemporaries,which Jeremy made up for as soon as he was able with foreign jaunts of his own,yet still feeling inside vulnerable and inferior to the East Anglian landed gentry,who mocked and shunned him as a product of a tenant farmer tied to a board of trustees,whilst they lorded over everything and everyone with the immediate wherewithal to fulfil their most intimate desires.

[Jan]

That's not what I meant Jan. I meant IF he brought the tractor back at 10:30(ish), he wouldn't want it known. When asked about it, he didn't want to answer and it may be because he didn't know if he'd been seen - ie. the tenants at the cottages might have identified him as the driver so he wanted to be sure why the question was being asked. When he found out it was just something Julie mentioned, he answered with no problems. Whether the tractor was old or new isn't the issue, it's what he thought he was being asked.

I can see why he didn't answer 'some' questions because Jones kept repeating things, however, the tractor question is different, it was benign on the surface, even Jones was surprised when he said 'no comment'.

It could be relevant if there were some tractors with canopies and others without? and if no one else saw NB doing the last shift .I guess we have not seen a lot of those original statements from those in the know . i.e the persons involved in working on that night .

[Steve_uk]

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying, Steve. In order for Julie to plead for the lives of Sheila and the twins she HAD to have known FULLY what he was planning. IMO, at this point, there is NO question of him being "under her spell." In fact HE said the relationship was in decline but I suspect Julie wasn't aware of it and was still hoping for marriage when he'd removed all obstacles preventing it.

But she thought he wouldn't execute his plan and told him to refrain from speaking about it. In a way the making up of a hitman story was his own attempt to spare her feelings and shows a modicum of respect for her.

[Caroline]

It could be relevant if there were some tractors with canopies and others without? and if no one else saw NB doing the last shift .I guess we have not seen a lot of those original statements from those in the know . i.e the persons involved in working on that night .

The one he was using had a canopy.

[Caroline]

But she thought he wouldn't execute his plan and told him to refrain from speaking about it. In a way the making up of a hitman story was his own attempt to spare her feelings and shows a modicum of respect for her.

If she thought he wasn't going to 'execute' the plan, why did she feel the need to plead for the lives of the twins and Sheila?

[Alias]

If she thought he wasn't going to 'execute' the plan, why did she feel the need to plead for the lives of the twins and Sheila?

Yes, that - and she accepted that June and Nevill were "written off". Steve, you are revealing here that you think that Julie was in on it.