The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?

[Adam]

Barlow said 'If the window was banged from outside it closed'.

That is another source. That could now be double figures.

[Jan]

I forgot all about what Barlow said.

That is 11 sources. Thank you Jan.

Barlow obviously meant banging the window,  locked/closed it.

A book is a source. When the author interviewed everyone, including Bamber, who did not mention the window to Wilkes it seems.

Barlow did not say he saw the window lock from the outside - read his testimony and the 2002 appeal before you make rash statements.

I will make this simple for you because you are obviously confused - we will talk about primary sources - that is the original source . A book is only a source if it reveals something new - not repeats something that is in a primary source document such as a statement. So 10 people saying Anne said the window could be locked from the outside is not 10 sources. You reading a book and then saying your thread is a source is not a primary source . Get it now?

Now we are clear you will not make the same mistake again ? will you?

[Jan]

The magic word is LOCK  - all windows can be closed from the outside 

[Adam]

Barlow did not say he saw the window lock from the outside - read his testimony and the 2002 appeal before you make rash statements.

I will make this simple for you because you are obviously confused - we will talk about primary sources - that is the original source . A book is only a source if it reveals something new - not repeats something that is in a primary source document such as a statement. So 10 people saying Anne said the window could be locked from the outside is not 10 sources. You reading a book and then saying your thread is a source is not a primary source . Get it now?

Now we are clear you will not make the same mistake again ? will you?

Well Barlow testified the window closed/locked if banged from outside.

A lot of Wilkes's book is who said what in court. If he is making everything up then he was risking a lot of lawsuits.

Interestingly I believe it was Barlow also testified that Jeremy said Sheila had committed child abuse on the twins, which Bamber had not reported. This was a few minutes after the bodies were found. I am not sure if this was before he said he didn't want Crispy messing up his stereo equipment.

[Jan]

Was he referring to the time one of the twins fell out of the taxi when Sheila was returning  home from WHF ? she blamed herself because she was distracted by the religious rantings of her mother? Is that what you are referring to ? Or the fact that Colin was called into the school because they were worried about the twins?

It would help if you were more specific?

[Adam]

Was he referring to the time one of the twins fell out of the taxi when Sheila was returning  home from WHF ? she blamed herself because she was distracted by the religious rantings of her mother? Is that what you are referring to ? Or the fact that Colin was called into the school because they were worried about the twins?

It would help if you were more specific?

I have already posted about this.

A twin falling out of a taxi in error is not child abuse.

[Jane]

Barlow did not say he saw the window lock from the outside - read his testimony and the 2002 appeal before you make rash statements.

I will make this simple for you because you are obviously confused - we will talk about primary sources - that is the original source . A book is only a source if it reveals something new - not repeats something that is in a primary source document such as a statement. So 10 people saying Anne said the window could be locked from the outside is not 10 sources. You reading a book and then saying your thread is a source is not a primary source . Get it now?

Now we are clear you will not make the same mistake again ? will you?

Ya gonna put money on that, Jan?

[Adam]

Is 11 sources specific enough ?

I don't know why you fight this so much. It does not make Bamber guilty. Just explains why the windows were locked if he was guilty.

[Adam]

Ya gonna put money on that, Jan?

Do you think the kitchen window could be banged locked from outside ?

[Jan]

Do you think the kitchen window could be banged locked from outside ?

Adam - Read this and admit you are wrong - this is from Barlow - hand written - It says closed  not LOCKED- and you have seen the picture of the window - I don't think JB would even get through it

[Jan]

I have already posted about this.

A twin falling out of a taxi in error is not child abuse.

Child abuse can be referred to as neglect of care - so I disagree with you on that - Why do you think Colin had been looking after the children for 5 months for?

[Adam]

Adam - Read this and admit you are wrong - this is from Barlow - hand written - It says closed  not LOCKED- and you have seen the picture of the window - I don't think JB would even get through it

Closed/locked. Same thing to me. But obviously not to you.

There was no point it being mentioned in Wilkes's book unless it related to Bamber getting out of WHF without leaving a trace.

He said he could get through it when interviewed.

[Jan]

Is 11 sources specific enough ?

I don't know why you fight this so much. It does not make Bamber guilty. Just explains why the windows were locked if he was guilty.

 I am fighting because the details are very important - you try blurring the difference between locked and closed windows when you are making an insurance claim for burglary . They would be down on you like a ton of bricks.

you fight about his behaviour after the funeral - constantly - that does not make him guilty either.

[Jan]

Closed/locked. Same thing to me. But obviously not to you.

There was no point it being mentioned in Wilkes's book unless it related to Bamber getting out of WHF without leaving a trace.

He said he could get through it when interviewed.

So you are saying JB said he could exit the fanlight window above the  kitchen window , are you 100% sure of that?

And I say again there is a huge amount of difference between closed and locked. The police said all windows and doors were secured from the inside meaning they were all locked. If you left your doors closed at night would you feel secure from burglars?

[Jan]

Is 11 sources specific enough ?

I don't know why you fight this so much. It does not make Bamber guilty. Just explains why the windows were locked if he was guilty.

Come on then where did Wilkes get his info from what does he say in his book ? Does he have an independent witness we have not heard about?