Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...

[Alias]

I strongly believe that Sheila was shot or shot herself where she was found.

[lookout]

 Me too,Alias.

[Jane]

I strongly believe that Sheila was shot or shot herself where she was found.

Where do YOU believe she was found, Alias? There seem to be three options. 1. ON the (far side of) the bed. 2. OFF the bed (on the floor, on the far side) 3. As one of two bodies said to have been seen in the kitchen.

[lookout]

 Floor----bed------floor.

[Alias]

Floor - where she was found.

[Caroline]

Floor - where she was found.

Me too!

[Jane]

Me too!

Same again here!

[Mr. Gee]

I strongly believe that Sheila was shot or shot herself where she was found.

The position of her body appears to be where people have performed CPR? The blood on her face appears to show this, especially that trail going up to her eye, indicating that her head was much further back that when the picture was taken. Just as if someone had tried to revive her? It may not be of course, but being a first aider that is what naturally came to my mind. Compressions to her chest would naturally cause the blood to be forced from her mouth and nose. You put a persons head backward in oder to clear the airway.

[Alias]

The position of her body appears to be where people have performed CPR? The blood on her face appears to show this, especially that trail going up to her eye, indicating that her head was much further back that when the picture was taken. Just as if someone had tried to revive her? It may not be of course, but being a first aider that is what naturally came to my mind. Compressions to her chest would naturally cause the blood to be forced from her mouth and nose. You put a persons head backward in oder to clear the airway.

I wouldn´t know about that.

[Mr. Gee]

I wouldn´t know about that.

No you probably wouldn't Alias. But the nurses here noticed it and even suggested it.

[mike tesko]

You have to  forget about the 2nd shot,  forget abour the second wound, forget about blood on her face and neck from the second bullet wound, forget about the blood which ran from the sjides of her mouth, forget aboubt the bloid which ran from her nostril and pooled in her left eye socket - and once you ignore those features for a moment, you are left with the bare basics of the original shot, its wound, and the hardly visible vertical bloodstain, on her neck...
 
Then, add to  this, Sheila's missing light blue petty coat...

[lookout]

This is why I said floor----bed-----floor.

That the first shot came when she was sitting on the floor,awkwardly,I assume judging by the angle of the first bullet. Then she got herself onto the bed and when the police were inside the farmhouse,they heard a noise,which would have been Sheila spluttering with the blood running down her throat,so thinking that she could be revived,lifted her on to a flatter surface----the floor,in order to perform CPR.

Did she fire that second shot,or was it an accident by the semi-automatic that was cocked ready,and went off in the process as officers were attempting to make the rifle safe?

On entering,the officers would have seen Sheila on the bed,but they made such a muck of the investigation that it went downhill from then onwards as they tried to cover their mistakes.

[mike tesko]

There is only a solitary shot inflicted in Sheila Caffells throat by the stage photographs of her were takwn on the bwd...

These photographs, which only show one bullet hole in her neck, were taken before her body ended up on the bedroom floor. The two shots inflicted into Sheila's neck were not fired simultaneously. Each shor lunjed to separate historical events associated with them...

[Gemma]

Hi April, although I don't agree with Mike on this and rather think she was shot upstairs, nevertheless concerning any blood trail the police are silent on this and we have no photos that show any blood trails? So it is possible there was blood in certain places but ignored? It is obvious we don't have the whole story as to what went on that night, other than scipios wild, but imaginative and entertaining  guesses?

Hi Mr Gee

Does anybody still believe that Nevill was also found by the police in the same position he is in in the photographs? I know that Mike has made the point that the body must have already been in rigor mortis before it was put like that with his head in the coal bucket. I think there's a thread where Martin and Patti argued about that. Martin supported Mike's view and Patti said she thought the killer actually shot Nevill while he was in that position and that his body immediately froze into cadaveric spasm.  Sorry I don't have the link to hand. I have to say that I agree with Martin on that one if not on some of his more speculative theories. Cadaveric spasm just doesn't work like that.

Do some people just want to support what the police say in the face of any evidence to the contrary? Not saying you do

[Gemma]

So if Sheila managed to get herself upstairs after the first shot it's fairly certain that having been shot in the neck she'd have left a tell tale blood trail down the front of her nightdress and/or on the stairs.

Not necessarily, April. I believe Jeremy thinks, as Mike Tesko used to, that Sheila first shot herself in the kitchen and was unconscious for some time before the police broke in. If this did happen and Sheila regained consciousness, say half an hour later, the bleeding may well have stopped by then.