Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...

[Caroline]

Jeremys guilt or innocence, did not rest upon how many times the other four victims were shot. The prosecution did not lead with any evidence about how these other four victims were killed, or had died. It's case revolved around the two shots sustained by her. One of these shots, killed her. The other did not. It would be hard to have proven that the fatal shot, had been fired prior to the non fatal shot. How would Craig have known which of the two shots had killed her? He could only have known that she was dead if she had got two shots in her throat, and that culd not have been the case by 8.44am, because the second shot did not occur until after 9am, when senior officers took it upon themselves to conduct informatives, with a view to explaining away how Sheila could have shot herself twice, by use of the same rifle. But two different guns were used in the shootings of Sheila Caffell, bullets PV/19 and PV/20 were produced by different ammunition manufacturers, and more importantly, each fired by a different gun...

Jeremy wasn't a suspect when Craig pronounced death on the victims, so his guilt or innocence wasn't a consideration. He treated them all the same - selecting one shot that could have caused death.

[mike tesko]

I have heard about a theory, that the second shot received by Sheila, was the non fatal neck wound (PV/20), and that because she was already dead, there was very little blood which ran from that second wound?

I can tell you that this can easily be disregarded, because the blood flow which ran from the wound caused by bullet PV/20, ran vertically, indicating that when that shot was fired, she must have been stood upright...

[mike tesko]

Jeremy wasn't a suspect when Craig pronounced death on the victims, so his guilt or innocence wasn't a consideration. He treated them all the same - selecting one shot that could have caused death.

He wasn't a suspect, no, that is correct. BUT the truth of the matter is that police shot Sheila twice, once downstairs in the kitchen, and secondly upstairs in the bedroom. Now, at the time when Craig made his statement, police did not want anyone to know that they had shot Sheila, even once, let alone twice  - police wanted the case to be one of four murders, and a suicide. Craig did not make a witness statement just for the sake of making a statement, police needed a witness statement from him supporting that case (Sheila had killed the others, and then killed herself), hence why Craig only refers to the existence of a solitary shot, since by 8.44am, that' all she had sustained by that stage was a solutary shot across the throat,,,...

Believe what you want, but I know the truth, I have seen photographs of Sheila on the bed, one shot on her throat, no blood running diagonally accross her face, or her neck...

[Jane]

He wasn't a suspect, no, that is correct. BUT the truth of the matter is that police shot Sheila twice, once downstairs in the kitchen, a secondly upstairs in the bedroom. Now, at the time when Craig made his statement, police did not want anyone to know that they had shot Sheila, even once, let alone twice  - police wanted the case to be one of four murders, and a suicide. Craig did not make a witness statement just for the sake of making a statement, police needed a witness statement from him supporting that case (Sheila had killed the others, and then killed herself), hence why Craig only refers to the existence of a solitary shot, since by 8.44am, that' all she had sustained by that stage...

Believe what you want, but I know the truth, I have seen photographs of Sheila on the bed, one shot on her throat, no blood running diagonally accross her face, or her neck...

But as none of us have, Mike, that's very difficult to take on trust.

[Alias]

Personally, I would need to see such a photo before I believe it, sorry Mike!

[Caroline]

Personally, I would need to see such a photo before I believe it, sorry Mike!

Me too.

[mike tesko]

But as none of us have, Mike, that's very difficult to take on trust.

Then the alternative, for all of you is to try and work out, why the person who shot her, did so with the angle of a rifle at a contrasting angle, between both shots? Surely, someone planning to carry out the so called 'perfect murder', would not make make such a fundamental mistake...

[lookout]

 About how far away was that first shot do you think, Mike ?

[Jane]

Then the alternative, for all of you is to try and work out, why the person who shot her, did so with the angle of a rifle at a contrasting angle, between both shots? Surely, someone planning to carry out the so called 'perfect murder', would not make make such a fundamental mistake...

In a perfect world, it may be possible to carry out the perfect murder. However, the murderer can only be responsible for their own actions, NOT the actions of a terrified victim whose unplanned for movement could change things out of recognition..........................the best laid plans of mice and men. Or murderers.

[Caroline]

In a perfect world, it may be possible to carry out the perfect murder. However, the murderer can only be responsible for their own actions, NOT the actions of a terrified victim whose unplanned for movement could change things out of recognition..........................the best laid plans of mice and men. Or murderers.

Was just about to say something similar! 

[Alias]

In a perfect world, it may be possible to carry out the perfect murder. However, the murderer can only be responsible for their own actions, NOT the actions of a terrified victim whose unplanned for movement could change things out of recognition..........................the best laid plans of mice and men. Or murderers.

Didn´t Jeremy allegedly have total control, leading a complacant and utterly passive Sheila to her death? That is the theory of many.

[Jane]

Didn´t Jeremy allegedly have total control, leading a complacant and utterly passive Sheila to her death? That is the theory of many.

But certainly not my own!!! One only has TOTAL control when ones actions are conceived in the mind, and transferred to the hands, of whoever is holding the pen/pressing the keys.

[Alias]

But certainly not my own!!! One only has TOTAL control when ones actions are conceived in the mind, and transferred to the hands, of whoever is holding the pen/pressing the keys.

I always end up with that bedroom scene. Nothing there makes much sense as it has been explained. The main reason I am not on your side of the fence.

[Jane]

I always end up with that bedroom scene. Nothing there makes much sense as it has been explained. The main reason I am not on your side of the fence.

Alias, I'm inclined to agree BUT the bedroom scene with an almost spotless Sheila is ONE reason I'm no longer on your side of the fence

[Alias]

Alias, I'm inclined to agree BUT the bedroom scene with an almost spotless Sheila is ONE reason I'm no longer on your side of the fence

I am not on any side of the fence, I am on top of it, and my butt hurts!