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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 07:35:PM »
We can petition tbe Home Secretary, and force her to try and be as honest, as she can be...

Lets be frank, even the Home Secretarys hands, are tied...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2014, 07:40:PM »
At the end of the day, the well oiled and practised method of 'noble cause corruption', has been an absolute disaster in this case...

Jeremy did not shoot his sister, he did not shoot her, he did not kill her..

He is completely innocent of shooting dead, his sister...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2014, 07:46:PM »
 I know Mike.I just can't see how he could have done either. Even a contortionist would have struggled with the angle at which she was shot.

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2014, 09:33:PM »
At the end of the day, the well oiled and practised method of 'noble cause corruption', has been an absolute disaster in this case...

Jeremy did not shoot his sister, he did not shoot her, he did not kill her..

He is completely innocent of shooting dead, his sister...

Mike I agree with your comments about the home secretary she has shown her courage in standing up to the police as well .

I did write to her at the home office and did get a reply from her office, perhaps a few more people should try?

Because otherwise how are we going to prove anything that might or might not have happened?

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2014, 07:21:AM »
Police needed at least an hour to an hour and a half to sort out the mess that the firearms operation had turned into...

They foolishly had been wating three and a half hours at the scene before going in to try and deal with a deluded Sheila Caffell, irrespective of whether or not the other four victims had already been shot or killed, since surely the police themselves were never in any danger of being attacked by either of the other four members of the family who were known to be present inside. Now, if by the time of the first arrival at the scene Jeremy Bamber had already murdered everyone, the police would not have held off for as long as they did before going in to end the seige. They would have gone in immediately, but something prevented them from doing so, and that something was born out of the sighting of what was believed to have been a silhoetted figure seen in a bedroom through an upstairs window which had its curtains drawn open, a person seen by two police officers, and Jeremy Bamber himself. A figure which PC Myall had thought was an unidentified male, as compared to Jeremys version of events which was that he couldn't tell whether the person they saw was male, or female. On the other hand, according to PS Bews account, what they had been watching was a trick of light which formed the shape of a person, which stood to one side of the window and walked across it, from one part of the bedroom to the other.  My thoughts on these events are that because a light was on somewhere upstairs which back lit the bedroom in question, through a partially opened bedroom door, it would have been very difficult, if not nigh on impossible, for any trick of light to manifest utself upin the outside surface of the bedroom window, producing an image of a standing person at one minute, which turned into a moving image of a person in the next. I think PS Bews acciunt is deliberately bogus, he has made his version up, out of mischief, belueving that if he did not do so, that Jeremy could not have murdered everyone inside tge farmhouse by that time. It's funny how Bews did not think it was a trick of light at the time he saw the figure moving about in tge bedroom, which cause him to become transformed into Najinski and bolt back to the patrol car at champion speed, so that he could pass a message to the control room, requesting that the firearms team be deployed to the scene, and get them to bring some tiolet paper and a clean pair of underwear because he had literally crapped his pants...

Boy, that trick of light dancing on the outside surface of the window must have been some scary trick...

Basically, Bews account was / is complete bullshit, or as the case may be, horse shit...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2014, 07:10:AM »
David Shaws 'INNOCENT MAN' deals with this group of senior officers huddled around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, trying to fathom out how they could explain away the fact that by that stage she had got two bullet wounds on her throat, whereas when she had been pronounced dead by the police surgeon, Dr Craig (earlier) she had a solitary bullet wound there. The other interesting thing, is that when DR Craig pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, is that not only did she not have two bullet wounds, but Dr Craig makes no mention of blood running from the corners of her mouth, or diagonally across the throat from the second bullet wound positioned highest upon her neck...

I can't see how the police surgeon, described Sheila as only havibg a solitary wound on her throat at 8.44am, if by that stage she akready had been shot twice there..,
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2014, 08:06:AM »
David Shaws 'INNOCENT MAN' deals with this group of senior officers huddled around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, trying to fathom out how they could explain away the fact that by that stage she had got two bullet wounds on her throat, whereas when she had been pronounced dead by the police surgeon, Dr Craig (earlier) she had a solitary bullet wound there. The other interesting thing, is that when DR Craig pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, is that not only did she not have two bullet wounds, but Dr Craig makes no mention of blood running from the corners of her mouth, or diagonally across the throat from the second bullet wound positioned highest upon her neck...

I can't see how the police surgeon, described Sheila as only havibg a solitary wound on her throat at 8.44am, if by that stage she akready had been shot twice there..,



If he'd described in detail the number of shots to all the other victims it does seem strange, but as it must have been obvious that a gun had been used on them all, perhaps the number of shots was academic.

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2014, 11:56:AM »
David Shaws 'INNOCENT MAN' deals with this group of senior officers huddled around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, trying to fathom out how they could explain away the fact that by that stage she had got two bullet wounds on her throat, whereas when she had been pronounced dead by the police surgeon, Dr Craig (earlier) she had a solitary bullet wound there. The other interesting thing, is that when DR Craig pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, is that not only did she not have two bullet wounds, but Dr Craig makes no mention of blood running from the corners of her mouth, or diagonally across the throat from the second bullet wound positioned highest upon her neck...

I can't see how the police surgeon, described Sheila as only havibg a solitary wound on her throat at 8.44am, if by that stage she akready had been shot twice there..,

Craig described only ONE shot for ALL of the victims - he simply needed a cause/time of death for the certificates.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.msg37049.html#msg37049
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2014, 03:09:PM »
More than likely he'd have meant the one shot which would have proved to be the most fatal,depending on a particular area of the body ?

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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2014, 03:30:PM »
More than likely he'd have meant the one shot which would have proved to be the most fatal,depending on a particular area of the body ?
I wonder which of Ralph's head shots he deemed to be the most fatal?

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2014, 04:46:PM »
I wonder which of Ralph's head shots he deemed to be the most fatal?





Well,now,let me see. :-[

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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2014, 05:15:PM »
Craig described only ONE shot for ALL of the victims - he simply needed a cause/time of death for the certificates.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1187.msg37049.html#msg37049
Jeremys guilt or innocence, did not rest upon how many times the other four victims were shot. The prosecution did not lead with any evidence about how these other four victims were killed, or had died. It's case revolved around the two shots sustained by her. One of these shots, killed her. The other did not. It would be hard to have proven that the fatal shot, had been fired prior to the non fatal shot. How would Craig have known which of the two shots had killed her? He could only have known that she was dead if she had got two shots in her throat, and that culd not have been the case by 8.44am, because the second shot did not occur until after 9am, when senior officers took it upon themselves to conduct informatives, with a view to explaining away how Sheila could have shot herself twice, by use of the same rifle. But two different guns were used in the shootings of Sheila Caffell, bullets PV/19 and PV/20 were produced by different ammunition manufacturers, and more importantly, each fired by a different gun...
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Re: Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2014, 05:33:PM »
How could Craig have seen two bullet wounds upon Sheila's throat at 8.44am, and describe both as a solitary shot, if by the time Sheila was photographed on the bed, she only had a single shot? Fact is, that Craig reported a solitary shot to Sheila which he thought had killed her, because at that stage (8.44am)  Sheila only had a solitary shot...
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2014, 05:37:PM »
How could Craig have seen two bullet wounds upon Sheila's throat at 8.44am, and describe both as a solitary shot, if by the time Sheila was photographed on the bed, she only had a single shot? Fact is, that Craig reported a solitary shot to Sheila which he thought had killed her, because at that stage (8.44am)  Sheila only had a solitary shot...

But that solitary shot did not kill her, she survived that first shot, albeit for part of the time, in an unconscious state...
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2014, 05:54:PM »
I have heard about a theory, that the second shot received by Sheila, was the non fatal neck wound (PV/20), and that because she was already dead, there was very little blood which ran from that second wound?
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