The Threat.

[lookout]

It has to be new evidence to be successfully raised on appeal. We are talking about a book though not appellate submisisons.  There is no requirement for evidence presented in a book to be new and indeed the source of the evidence will be that already in the record.

So it'll be the same old,same old. I can't see there being anything different unless the authors have first-hand knowledge of something,and of that I wouldn't think so,unless there's a third party who was involved in the investigation.

[nugnug]

well at the end of the day if he has hes not going to tell anyone what it is.

i mean no proffesnoil auther would do that i mean he wants to sell the book

[scipio_usmc]

So it'll be the same old,same old. I can't see there being anything different unless the authors have first-hand knowledge of something,and of that I wouldn't think so,unless there's a third party who was involved in the investigation.

At BEST it could be a more thoroughly detailed explanation of the evidence against Jeremy.

SOME people who support Jeremy are ignorant of the full evidence against him and believe myths and this could thus sway their opinion by dispelling those myths and presenting in detail the case against him. 

Those who are on his side because of bias will not change no matter how many times the myths are dispelled or how many times the evidence in full is brought to bear.  They will continue to ignore it though they can't refute it.

Nothing is going to convince his diehard supporters of his guilt so the book will never do such.   

It will at best stand in the way of propagandizing to a new crop of people.

It might very well attack his past defenders, idendify lies they tell for him and thus actually attack Jerey's supporters more than just generally busting myths. We don' know if he will do that or not but I have a feeling he will based on somethings I have seen.

It might not touch upon the evidence that convicted him in any greater detail than past works did in which case it will be even less interesting and just more of the same old.

The notion he might find some truly new evidence I find not plausible.  We shall see.

[scipio_usmc]

well at the end of the day if he has hes not going to tell anyone what it is.

i mean no proffesnoil auther would do that i mean he wants to sell the book

Which is also why they usually frame their books as having new information.  It is a sales pitch.  Look at news articles.  How often do the headlines actually match the evidence mad ein the article?  It is a bait and switch. 

[Jan]

At BEST it could be a more thoroughly detailed explanation of the evidence against Jeremy.

SOME people who support Jeremy are ignorant of the full evidence against him and believe myths and this could thus sway their opinion by dispelling those myths and presenting in detail the case against him. 

Those who are on his side because of bias will not change no matter how many times the myths are dispelled or how many times the evidence in full is brought to bear.  They will continue to ignore it though they can't refute it.

Nothing is going to convince his diehard supporters of his guilt so the book will never do such.   

It will at best stand in the way of propagandizing to a new crop of people.

It might very well attack his past defenders, idendify lies they tell for him and thus actually attack Jerey's supporters more than just generally busting myths. We don' know if he will do that or not but I have a feeling he will based on somethings I have seen.

It might not touch upon the evidence that convicted him in any greater detail than past works did in which case it will be even less interesting and just more of the same old.

The notion he might find some truly new evidence I find not plausible.  We shall see.

the way I read his posts on here was he could prove that the silencer evidence that was produced in court was false and that was why it was an MOJ. Now  although it has been discussed many times I don't think that has been "proved" before, then he went on to say that it does not prove that JB is innocent.


Now if that is shown then JB has no more to lose as he is already in Jail . But EP could be in big trouble.

[scipio_usmc]

the way I read his posts on here was he could prove that the silencer evidence that was produced in court was false and that was why it was an MOJ. Now  although it has been discussed many times I don't think that has been "proved" before, then he went on to say that it does not prove that JB is innocent.


Now if that is shown then JB has no more to lose as he is already in Jail . But EP could be in big trouble.

A logical reading of his flip then would be he failed to find any evidence to challenge the silencer evidence and will rely on it to suggest Jerey is guilty.

I hope his book does get published sometimes soon so we could see. My interest is waning I hope he would do it before I stop caring at all.

 

[Jan]

A logical reading of his flip then would be he failed to find any evidence to challenge the silencer evidence and will rely on it to suggest Jerey is guilty.

I hope his book does get published sometimes soon so we could see. My interest is waning I hope he would do it before I stop caring at all.

I agree - I can see no point in delaying until August 2015 . If the legal problems are sorted then publish now. 

[Caroline]

A logical reading of his flip then would be he failed to find any evidence to challenge the silencer evidence and will rely on it to suggest Jerey is guilty.

I hope his book does get published sometimes soon so we could see. My interest is waning I hope he would do it before I stop caring at all.

There is no injunction, not sure where that has come from? But the article stated that the book will be released next August. It will be 30 years since the murders and I assume that's why the date was chosen.

[scipio_usmc]

There is no injunction, not sure where that has come from? But the article stated that the book will be released next August. It will be 30 years since the murders and I assume that's why the date was chosen.

I have seen publication dates moved repeatedly and even to never see publication despite insisting it was coming so I will believe it when I see it.

I also will not believe that any new evidence has been discovered until I actually see it.  People seem to have a habit of repackaging old evidence as new though it is not new at all. If they admit they have nothing new there will be less interest in their work than there otherwise would be.

 
 

[JackiePreece]

The evidence against Jeremy is conclusive, that is why he lost his appeals.

The fact Jeremy supporters like you refuse to accept it as being conclusive means very little.

Proving the evidence isn't conclusive requires refuting it.  Jeremy supporters can't do that though thus instead resort to distortion such as bogus tales of Sheila having victim blood on her back that was the result of back spatter from murdering the victims with her gown on backwards.  The more spectacular tales like this were never made at trial or on appeal they are entirely made up.  Some of the less spectacular ones were made on appeal but were rejected as meritless. I'm not sure what is worse, raising claims already rejected or entirely fabricated ones.

Absolute rubbish

What about the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford Four and numerous other MOJ

There is NO conclusive evidence or the CCRC wouldn't have allowed an application
The only reason the case hasn't reached the court of appeal is because the ccrc keep moving the goalposts

Better try next time skippy

There won't be anything new. There might be a more comprehensive discussion of the evidence that convicted Jeremy but won't be new evidence in the book.

[ngb1066]

There is no injunction, not sure where that has come from? But the article stated that the book will be released next August. It will be 30 years since the murders and I assume that's why the date was chosen.

How do you know?

[scipio_usmc]

Absolute rubbish

What about the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford Four and numerous other MOJ

There is NO conclusive evidence or the CCRC wouldn't have allowed an application
The only reason the case hasn't reached the court of appeal is because the ccrc keep moving the goalposts

Better try next time skippy

There won't be anything new. There might be a more comprehensive discussion of the evidence that convicted Jeremy but won't be new evidence in the book.

The rubbish from you.

Other MOJs in no way refute the evidence used to convict Jeremy.

You yourself have raised nothing but lies and myths to try to refute the conviction.  You have never presented anything rational let alone substantial to challenge the evidence that convicted Jeremy.  You just ignore it.

Nor does the CCRC considering an application estbalish there is any merit to the claims.  Indeed they ended up completely rejecting all of the claims mad ein 2009 so thoroughly that the defense won't even release the application and decision publicly because they don't want anyone to see how bad the smackdown was.  The only application actually advanced was the DNA claims that the COA shredded.  The other claims tha tpiggybacked the DNA claims were rejected as frivolous claims that the Court said never shoudl have been able to reach it. 

[Jane]

How do you know?

To MY knowledge, nothing I've seen, suggests that there is one. The most I've seen mentioned is a "blanket ban." Who has introduced the possibility of an injunction?

[JackiePreece]

There is no injunction, not sure where that has come from? But the article stated that the book will be released next August. It will be 30 years since the murders and I assume that's why the date was chosen.

Just to make it absolutely clear, I do not believe there will be any new evidence
I believe The author to be a prolific liar

Ngb has copies of every email sent regarding the author in question and at no time did I offer any kind of sensitive information
I do not and have not EVER had access to email addresses
I can arrange advertising but I have NO access

The Scottish newspaper was given false information

[scipio_usmc]

How do you know?

The notion of an injunction sounds ridiculous and as if invented to garner attention to try to suggest the book will be worth reading because it is so groundbreaking an injunction had been declared. 

I don't wonder whether it will ever be published because of some alleged injunction I wonder about lack of interest or the finished product being poor.