Why is it not fair to point out people have no valid basis for their claims?

[Jane]

I am not sure - you see I always like to see the good in people. And I have no idea what has gone on in the past on here - but I can see it has been very divisive.

Does it have to have been someone from here though - could it be someone from the other forum who visits here?

The fact is that as a result it appears that Jeremy has contacted Caroline so I am assuming that he does hold her opinion in some regard.

 Perhaps he might put her mind at rest - or even the opposite  convince her more of his guilt?.

 The one good thing is because of his writing at least you always know the letter in genuine .

Jansus, I believe that Caroline WILL be able to make something positive of this as there is nothing of the duplicitous about her.

It actually matters NOT which forum was responsible for the underhand behaviour. IMO, it was the act which was despicable. It speaks to me of self interest and jealousy. Why else would it be seen as being necessary to try to show Caroline in a bad light.

[Jan]

Personally I don't think it does show Caroline in a bad light . She stated her opinions on a pubic forum. She had doubts based on her personal contact with Jeremy that she was entitled to do. When someone has been convicted of a crime of course we will all have doubts from time to time. My only confusion at the time was that when I started on here I was under the miscomprehension that this site was set up to support Jeremy in his fight and that's what I thought when I came on here . Now I realise it is purely a discussion forum and if the mods or admin wish to change their minds that their prerogative . I found the complete sudden switch difficult to understand , especially when people who had been agreeing with my suddenly started questioning everything I was posting.

I understand more now.

[Jane]

Personally I don't think it does show Caroline in a bad light . She stated her opinions on a pubic forum. She had doubts based on her personal contact with Jeremy that she was entitled to do. When someone has been convicted of a crime of course we will all have doubts from time to time. My only confusion at the time was that when I started on here I was under the miscomprehension that this site was set up to support Jeremy in his fight and that's what I thought when I came on here . Now I realise it is purely a discussion forum and if the mods or admin wish to change their minds that their prerogative . I found the complete sudden switch difficult to understand , especially when people who had been agreeing with my suddenly started questioning everything I was posting.

I understand more now.

Jansus, I realize that when people change their minds the ground beneath us can feel a bit wobbly I think it's only by discussing things "out loud" that we can arrive at conclusions which may have been there for a while, lurking beneath the surface. Personally, I think doubts and questions are healthy. They show that we're thinking rather than just accepting.

The sneak letter certainly doesn't show Caroline in a bad light, but SENDING it wasn't an attempt to show her in a good one.

[susan]

Hello jansus  when I changed my stance (which had been coming on for ages) I felt really bad and always made sure I did not post against my friends it is very difficult after supporting them for 2 years and now not agreeing with them

[JackiePreece]

I have never read so much rubbish in all my life.

Anyone that knows Jeremy as I do knows perfectly well this forum is read by the OCT every day

Anybody could have told Jeremy but she has chosen to make it sound sinister

Caroline has stated she believes him to be 100% guilty so why shouldn't someone tell Jerrmy

Her stance will not make the slightest difference in this case going forwards

As for gossips I would say that refers to members of this forum who send more pm messages than actual posts

One things for sure if I had told Jeremy Caroline's stance had changed from innocent to guilty I would quite happily post on this forum I had done so

As I think Caroline is insignificant as far as Jeremy getting his conviction overturned I obviously would not bother to tell anyone let alone Jeremy

He has more than enough weirdos saying he is guilty without learning about another

The interesting thing is she hadn't replied to her letter
Well he has

[Jane]

I have never read so much rubbish in all my life.

Anyone that knows Jeremy as I do knows perfectly well this forum is read by the OCT every day

Anybody could have told Jeremy but she has chosen to make it sound sinister

Caroline has stated she believes him to be 100% guilty so why shouldn't someone tell Jerrmy

Her stance will not make the slightest difference in this case going forwards

As for gossips I would say that refers to members of this forum who send more pm messages than actual posts

One things for sure if I had told Jeremy Caroline's stance had changed from innocent to guilty I would quite happily post on this forum I had done so

As I think Caroline is insignificant as far as Jeremy getting his conviction overturned I obviously would not bother to tell anyone let alone Jeremy

He has more than enough weirdos saying he is guilty without learning about another

The interesting thing is she hadn't replied to her letter
Well he has

So by saying that it WASN'T sinister and why shouldn't Jeremy know -that's despite you believing Caroline to be insignificant to him- could you be admitting to having sent it?

[Mr. Gee]

Hello jansus  when I changed my stance (which had been coming on for ages) I felt really bad and always made sure I did not post against my friends it is very difficult after supporting them for 2 years and now not agreeing with them

It throws everyone into confusion and suspicion as it did to me, because the only experience that I had from most guilters on the euphemistically termed "red" forum was constant abuse. So I was immediately suspicious of anyone who takes that stand with them. But I have seen that you, April and Caroline are not viscious or hateful.
Because of that I am looking at the case with fresh eyes. When someone is abusing someone else the defenses are usually up and the person abused is more aware of the abusers and mockers than they are of the case.

[JackiePreece]

So by saying that it WASN'T sinister and why shouldn't Jeremy know -that's despite you believing Caroline to be insignificant to him- could you be admitting to having sent it?

Another ridiculous post April
Concentrate
Read my post
If I had told Jeremy I would quite happily post on here that I had
But I don't see anything sinister in Jeremy being told

[JackiePreece]

So by saying that it WASN'T sinister and why shouldn't Jeremy know -that's despite you believing Caroline to be insignificant to him- could you be admitting to having sent it?

Another ridiculous post April
Concentrate
Read my post
If I had told Jeremy I would quite happily post on here that I had
But I don't see anything sinister in Jeremy being told

[JackiePreece]

It throws everyone into confusion and suspicion as it did to me, because the only experience that I had from most guilters on the euphemistically termed "red" forum was constant abuse. So I was immediately suspicious of anyone who takes that stand with them. But I have seen that you, April and Caroline are not viscious or hateful.
Because of that I am looking at the case with fresh eyes. When someone is abusing someone else the defenses are usually up and the person abused is more aware of the abusers and mockers than they are of the case.

Grahame I think you missed the behaviour Patti had to put up with from the 'pm' addicts and guilter

It was nasty

[Mr. Gee]

Another ridiculous post April
Concentrate
Read my post
If I had told Jeremy I would quite happily post on here that I had
But I don't see anything sinister in Jeremy being told

No there isn't really Jackie. So he was told, so what? All I know is that it wasn't me. I haven't written to him for years and am definitely not on his telephone list. Personally I agree with ngb that it was more likely one of the Bamber Official Site team than a member of this forum.
But I must add that it appears to be the first time that Bamber has written to anyone that wasn't a reply to a letter to him. So Caroline must be an important person to him whom he seemed to trust? Maybe it was a shock to him?

[Mr. Gee]

Grahame I think you missed the behaviour Patti had to put up with from the 'pm' addicts and guilter

It was nasty

Yes I did see that Jackie. But then again as Patti said herself no moderator is very popular, especially with the opposition whoever the opposition are at that time.

[susan]

Morning Mr. Gee excellent post and very true suppose I was disappointed when I saw him as guilty having defended him for over 2 years but I do try and remain respectful and have kept all my original friends in spite of my change of stance.

[nugnug]

carline why dont you just ask him who it was.

[JackiePreece]

Yes I did see that Jackie. But then again as Patti said herself no moderator is very popular, especially with the opposition whoever the opposition are at that time.

Grahame I think it's quite obvious that Caroline and April think it was me

That's very sick and another reason why I am glad we have new moderators in place

The abuse is relentless

You know me and you know I would say if I was responsible

That's the last I am going to say about this because Caroline and April have once again made themselves look stupid