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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #195 on: October 08, 2014, 10:52:PM »
Where is the source please that he admitted in court that he had never seen Sheila fire a gun?

I think you will find that he said he had taken her target shooting, he does not say she fired a rifle at any target.  Remember he was asked if she could fire a weapon...OK his answer was yes, he obviously thought she could. Its not beyond possibility, in fact it is likely that she could have. Whether Sheila did is debatable, that is why we are here today. 


The point of whether she could or could not fire a weapon is a possibility whether you like it or not. There is absolutely no proof that she could not, just like there is no proof that she could, but it is very likely that she did know how to use one.

Not firing a weapon does not mean that it is impossible to use one.  Ruth Ellis had never fired a gun before but she used one to kill her cheating lover and did not miss.

How many people buy guns in America that have never fired a weapon before in their lives then suddenly one day they have shot someone...I'd say that could be a very high percentage.  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

Re loading is more of an issue. Scipio said it is hard to re load the rifle.

AE said she could imagine Sheila firing the gun. But not re load.

Jeremy testified that Sheila had  limited experience with guns. If he said 'no' experience he would have been dead in the water.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #196 on: October 08, 2014, 10:55:PM »
Re loading is more of an issue. Scipio said it is hard to re load the rifle.

AE said she could imagine firing the gun. But not re load.

Jeremy testified that Sheila had  limited experience with guns. If he said 'no' experience he would have been dead in the water.

Yes, that is an issue Adam because it has been said that it is more difficult to load the magazine after the 7th bullet, but who is to say that the rifle was loaded with 10 at a time, it could have been 5 6 or 7... ;D

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #197 on: October 08, 2014, 10:57:PM »
well colin thought she had done and he had feared she was going to for some time why would he think that.

suggests he knew she could load and shoot a gun.

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« Reply #198 on: October 08, 2014, 10:57:PM »
When was Sheila supposed to get this gun experience ?

She was sent off to boarding school. Then lived in London, got married, had children. Got a career, got sick.

She showed no interest in the farm or guns.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #199 on: October 08, 2014, 10:58:PM »
sowhy did her husband think she did it then.

if she really couldent colin should of been suspicios straght away but he wasnt.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #200 on: October 08, 2014, 11:02:PM »
When was Sheila supposed to get this gun experience ?

She was sent off to boarding school. Then lived in London, got married, had children. Got a career, got sick.

She showed no interest in the farm or guns.

Same applied to Jeremy though Adam? He was sent to boarding school, left home to live with Sue, shacked up with friends, went to Australia, got his own place.

Brother and sister both having left home early and not wanting to live on the farm...There has to be more to this....

What are the real chances.?

Both adopted and come from good families.
One suffers mental illness
One turns out to be a convicted murderer.

Something isnt right..  ???

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #201 on: October 08, 2014, 11:03:PM »
so did her husband think she did it then.

if she really couldent colin should of been suspicios straght away but he wasnt.

Nail on the head there Nugs. His thoughts were she has finally done it then.  :-\

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #202 on: October 08, 2014, 11:07:PM »
Same applied to Jeremy though Adam? He was sent to boarding school, left home to live with Sue, shacked up with friends, went to Australia, got his own place.

Brother and sister both having left home early and not wanting to live on the farm...There has to be more to this....

What are the real chances.?

Both adopted and come from good families.
One suffers mental illness
One turns out to be a convicted murderer.

Something isnt right..  ???

I agree, however, that goes against the notion that Jeremy loved farming.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #203 on: October 08, 2014, 11:09:PM »
Same applied to Jeremy though Adam? He was sent to boarding school, left home to live with Sue, shacked up with friends, went to Australia, got his own place.

Brother and sister both having left home early and not wanting to live on the farm...There has to be more to this....

What are the real chances.?

Both adopted and come from good families.
One suffers mental illness
One turns out to be a convicted murderer.

Something isnt right..  ???

Jeremy testified he could easily use the murder weapon. And was experienced with guns. See page 1.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #204 on: October 08, 2014, 11:13:PM »
I agree, however, that goes against the notion that Jeremy loved farming.

It does, but according to those he worked with on the farm he was OK with them. I hate to say this but Jeremy and Sheila got out of something they did not like and it was home life., IMO.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #205 on: October 08, 2014, 11:13:PM »
Jeremy testified he could easily use the murder weapon. And was experienced with guns. See page 1.

Adam do you mean he or she?????

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #206 on: October 08, 2014, 11:23:PM »
It does, but according to those he worked with on the farm he was OK with them. I hate to say this but Jeremy and Sheila got out of something they did not like and it was home life., IMO.

From this statement, it doesn't seem as thought Jeremy had much to do with those that worked on the farm - they didn't mix socially and this man suggests that Jeremy had no interest in farming.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1935.0.html
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #207 on: October 08, 2014, 11:26:PM »
Adam do you mean he or she?????

'He'.

He testified Sheila had 'limited' gun experience. Which could just mean she once put a gun in the gun cupboard.

Saying 'no' gun experience would mean he is dead in the water.

Jeremy was experienced with guns and the murder weapon.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #208 on: October 08, 2014, 11:30:PM »
Where is the source please that he admitted in court that he had never seen Sheila fire a gun?

I think you will find that he said he had taken her target shooting, he does not say she fired a rifle at any target.  Remember he was asked if she could fire a weapon...OK his answer was yes, he obviously thought she could. Its not beyond possibility, in fact it is likely that she could have. Whether Sheila did is debatable, that is why we are here today. 


The point of whether she could or could not fire a weapon is a possibility whether you like it or not. There is absolutely no proof that she could not, just like there is no proof that she could, but it is very likely that she did know how to use one.

Not firing a weapon does not mean that it is impossible to use one.  Ruth Ellis had never fired a gun before but she used one to kill her cheating lover and did not miss.

How many people buy guns in America that have never fired a weapon before in their lives then suddenly one day they have shot someone...I'd say that could be a very high percentage.  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

The first shot Ruth Ellis fired missed.  Moreover the gun she used was a double action revolver, all she had to do was pull the trigger to operate it. Single action means you have to cock the gun before calling the trigger.  Double action means the trigger operates the hammer without it needing to be cocked.  She didn't even need to know how to open the gun to unload the shell casings and load more rounds in because she only expended the rounds that had been inside the gun.

In contrast the Sheila needed to learn how to insert the magazine, chamber a round, remove the magazine and to reload it in order to have committed the murders..

When you buy a gun you get a manual that tells you how to clean and operate it and also get instructions from gun dealers as to how it works. Even if you buy it off the street you likely would ask how to use it if you don't know how it works.  Sheila didn't buy any guns though.

Jeremy's words are unambiguous:



She never fired the rifle before.

Yet he told police at the scene the day prior that she had fired it and all other weapons in the house.  Even the most biased defender in the world had no way to refute tha the lied when he told police she fired the weapon.  Why did he lie?

Because he wanted those at the scene to think she was a threat to them and also so that they would believe she did it when they found the bodies.

After hearing his relatives talk to police about her having no interest in guns and so forth he decided to go along with their claims and changed things to her just walking as he shot.  But he didn't go walking around to shoot with the rifle he only used it for target practice so that was a lie too.

You are doing exactly what April said Jeremy defenders do, including her when she was one, ignore facts and evidence and excuse all his lies and claims that make no sense for no reason other than bias.

 


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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #209 on: October 08, 2014, 11:33:PM »
From this statement, it doesn't seem as thought Jeremy had much to do with those that worked on the farm - they didn't mix socially and this man suggests that Jeremy had no interest in farming.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1935.0.html

That was very interesting. Thank you.
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