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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #210 on: October 08, 2014, 11:34:PM »
Susan has kindly posted some very interesting things from CC's book. Highlighting Jeremy's guilt further.

The letters Jeremy sent to CC were also very interesting. Written in capitals, which is the written form of shouting.
He always writes like that Adam. Every letter I got from him were all in capitals and everyone here will testify the same. It is just his style and is not to be considered as shouting.

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« Reply #211 on: October 08, 2014, 11:37:PM »
That was very interesting. Thank you.

You're welcome!  :)
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #212 on: October 08, 2014, 11:38:PM »
The first shot Ruth Ellis fired missed.  Moreover the gun she used was a double action revolver, all she had to do was pull the trigger to operate it. Single action means you have to cock the gun before calling the trigger.  Double action means the trigger operates the hammer without it needing to be cocked.  She didn't even need to know how to open the gun to unload the shell casings and load more rounds in because she only expended the rounds that had been inside the gun.

In contrast the Sheila needed to learn how to insert the magazine, chamber a round, remove the magazine and to reload it in order to have committed the murders..

When you buy a gun you get a manual that tells you how to clean and operate it and also get instructions from gun dealers as to how it works. Even if you buy it off the street you likely would ask how to use it if you don't know how it works.  Sheila didn't buy any guns though.

Jeremy's words are unambiguous:



She never fired the rifle before.

Yet he told police at the scene the day prior that she had fired it and all other weapons in the house.  Even the most biased defender in the world had no way to refute tha the lied when he told police she fired the weapon.  Why did he lie?

Because he wanted those at the scene to think she was a threat to them and also so that they would believe she did it when they found the bodies.

After hearing his relatives talk to police about her having no interest in guns and so forth he decided to go along with their claims and changed things to her just walking as he shot.  But he didn't go walking around to shoot with the rifle he only used it for target practice so that was a lie too.

You are doing exactly what April said Jeremy defenders do, including her when she was one, ignore facts and evidence and excuse all his lies and claims that make no sense for no reason other than bias.

That's right his WS says about Sheila's zero knowledge of guns.

He was keen to tell the police differently on the night.

And was keen to tell the police why Neville would not ring the police. Not bothering to ask them if they had heard from Neville.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #213 on: October 08, 2014, 11:38:PM »
He always writes like that Adam. Every letter I got from him were all in capitals and everyone here will testify the same. It is just his style and is not to be considered as shouting.

He said he writes in caps because it's easier for people to understand. I see nothing sinister in the way he writes.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #214 on: October 08, 2014, 11:39:PM »
He always writes like that Adam. Every letter I got from him were all in capitals and everyone here will testify the same. It is just his style and is not to be considered as shouting.

its only considered shouting on the internet.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #215 on: October 08, 2014, 11:39:PM »
The first shot Ruth Ellis fired missed.  Moreover the gun she used was a double action revolver, all she had to do was pull the trigger to operate it. Single action means you have to cock the gun before calling the trigger.  Double action means the trigger operates the hammer without it needing to be cocked.  She didn't even need to know how to open the gun to unload the shell casings and load more rounds in because she only expended the rounds that had been inside the gun.

In contrast the Sheila needed to learn how to insert the magazine, chamber a round, remove the magazine and to reload it in order to have committed the murders..

When you buy a gun you get a manual that tells you how to clean and operate it and also get instructions from gun dealers as to how it works. Even if you buy it off the street you likely would ask how to use it if you don't know how it works.  Sheila didn't buy any guns though.

Jeremy's words are unambiguous:



She never fired the rifle before.

Yet he told police at the scene the day prior that she had fired it and all other weapons in the house. Even the most biased defender in the world had no way to refute tha the lied when he told police she fired the weapon.  Why did he lie?

Because he wanted those at the scene to think she was a threat to them and also so that they would believe she did it when they found the bodies.

After hearing his relatives talk to police about her having no interest in guns and so forth he decided to go along with their claims and changed things to her just walking as he shot.  But he didn't go walking around to shoot with the rifle he only used it for target practice so that was a lie too.

You are doing exactly what April said Jeremy defenders do, including her when she was one, ignore facts and evidence and excuse all his lies and claims that make no sense for no reason other than bias.

Scopio can you remind who he said this too please.  :)

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #216 on: October 08, 2014, 11:40:PM »
That's right his WS says about Sheila's zero knowledge of guns.

He was keen to tell the police differently on the night.

And was keen to tell the police why Neville would not ring the police. Not bothering to ask them if they had heard from Neville.


so why dident her husband qustion her guilt straght away then.

surely he would of done if it was true she couldent use guns.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #217 on: October 08, 2014, 11:41:PM »
Scopio can you remind who he said this too please.  :)

It's from his witness statement.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #218 on: October 08, 2014, 11:41:PM »
He always writes like that Adam. Every letter I got from him were all in capitals and everyone here will testify the same. It is just his style and is not to be considered as shouting.

He has written to you. Tell me more.
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« Reply #219 on: October 08, 2014, 11:42:PM »
It is Neil. I remember when I first read it. I was shocked.  :o
I'll tell you what. If I had gone to prison on a trumped up charge for a murder I did not commit that is exactly the kind of thing I would write.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #220 on: October 08, 2014, 11:43:PM »
It's from his witness statement.

No I mean which police officer did he tell that Sheila could fire guns?

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #221 on: October 08, 2014, 11:45:PM »

so why dident her husband qustion her guilt straght away then.

surely he would of done if it was true she couldent use guns.

Don't forget everyone was saying it was murder/suicide. Police, Jeremy, the family. Why would CC think Jeremy would massacre his own family.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #222 on: October 08, 2014, 11:46:PM »
When was Sheila supposed to get this gun experience ?

She was sent off to boarding school. Then lived in London, got married, had children. Got a career, got sick.

She showed no interest in the farm or guns.
Well I wonder where the picture came from of her working on the farm then? She spent her childhood there. I still think it quite possible she knew about guns and it didn't take Jeremy to teach her. She was brought up on a farm for goodness sake.

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« Reply #223 on: October 08, 2014, 11:47:PM »
I agree, however, that goes against the notion that Jeremy loved farming.
Well campion jnr said he knew an great deal about tractors if that indicates anything?

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #224 on: October 08, 2014, 11:47:PM »
I'll tell you what. If I had gone to prison on a trumped up charge for a murder I did not commit that is exactly the kind of thing I would write.

I forgot to say that when I had read it several times I realised that Jeremy was angry that Colin had left Sheila to cope knowing that she would not be able to,. What we don't see of course is the letters Colin write  to Jeremy and what might have inflamed him.  :) :) :)