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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #180 on: October 08, 2014, 10:01:PM »
Susan has kindly posted some very interesting things from CC's book. Highlighting Jeremy's guilt further.

The letters Jeremy sent to CC were also very interesting. Written in capitals, which is the written form of shouting.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #181 on: October 08, 2014, 10:03:PM »
He tends to write all his letters in captials. Still though the actual content is awful.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #182 on: October 08, 2014, 10:07:PM »
Susan has kindly posted some very interesting things from CC's book. Highlighting Jeremy's guilt further.

The letters Jeremy sent to CC were also very interesting. Written in capitals, which is the written form of shouting.
Are those letters you mention, on the forum anywhere?  If not, do you suppose there's any chance of getting them on here?

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #183 on: October 08, 2014, 10:14:PM »
Are those letters you mention, on the forum anywhere?  If not, do you suppose there's any chance of getting them on here?

There were some letters copied onto here a few days ago. I have forgotten which thread.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #184 on: October 08, 2014, 10:16:PM »
Are those letters you mention, on the forum anywhere?  If not, do you suppose there's any chance of getting them on here?

Neil, I have to go now, but you can go to my profile and look at my posts (I posted the letters) - it isn´t far back, so not too much work finding them.  :)

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« Reply #185 on: October 08, 2014, 10:20:PM »
Neil, I have to go now, but you can go to my profile and look at my posts (I posted the letters) - it isn´t far back, so not too much work finding them.  :)
That's great.  Many thanks Alias.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #186 on: October 08, 2014, 10:20:PM »
There were some letters copied onto here a few days ago. I have forgotten which thread.
Thanks Adam.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #188 on: October 08, 2014, 10:25:PM »
Why do you think Jeremy lied? He could have been telling the truth its a possibility that he was.

I think saying that Sheila could not handle a gun is an insult to her intelligence. She was a bright, beautiful 5ft 7 woman.  Sheila lived on a farm where guns were probably used everyday of her life that she lived there. Are you saying that Sheila never accompanied her father during the day when he had a gun?  NB held shoots at the farm.

To use a gun is not rocket science.

OK Colin said that Sheila did not like guns and would not let the children play with guns. The latter not being the case because a toy gun was found at the farm in the living room.

I find it impossible to except that she could not use a rifle or gun. If I was to give my daughter a rifle and some ammunition and asked her to load the rifle and shoot at a target, I would feel very confident that she would be able to do it.

When I used my fathers rifle I did not go on a course to learn how to use it. It became natural to me, to pick the rifle up. load it and use it.

All I am saying is that it is possible that she could use a gun, its not beyond possibility.   :-\ :-\ :-\

Jeremy put in his written statement and admitted in court he never saw Sheila fire a gun and to his knowledge had not done so.

That means he lied when he told police at the scene that he taught her how to operate the murder weapon and that she had fired it with him and all other guns in the house.

To say he never knew her to fire any weapons and to say he taughter her and she used them all are mutually exclusive claims.

He also clearly lied about taking the gun out to shoot rabbits and leaving it out.  To support such made up tale he staged bullets by the phone.  Too many bullets though so he ended up revelaing they were staged.  His claim the gun had no moderaor when he left it out also betrays it was false because the gun was used with the moderator attached and there is no way Sheila went to the closet just to get th emoderator let alone took it off to put away after killing everyone.  It quite clearly was used to kill her as well though which is why no blood was in the rifle muzzle though she suffered a contact wound.  The moderator was attached so her blood went in there instead of the muzzle of the rifle.

You and others are too biased to face facts.  You make excuses for Jeremy becaus eof your bias and those excuses are not based on any evidence just bias.

You are too biased to face that just because someone keeps guns around a house doesn't mean everyone int he house knows how to use them.  You have to be instructed to know how to use them.  There is no guarantee you will see someone operate a gun just because they are kept and seeing someone use it from a distance is not the same thing as being instucted by any measure.

Time and time again you ignore that they did not own semi-autos while Sheila was living on the farm.  The first semi-auto the family owned was not purchased until the end of 1984.  It was not owned very long before the murders occurred and aside from Anthony using it during his visit to try it out, there is no evidence of anyone else using it except Jeremy when he used it a couple of times for target practice.  Nevill was no longer interested in target shooting at the time the gun was purchased he purchased it for Jeremy.  Nevill used 410s to shoot vermin there is no evidence he ever used it to shoot them.  Anthony said the gun looked ot be in brand new condition.  That is because apart from Jeremy trying to become a good shot with it through some target practice sessions it wasn't used.

Sheila would have no way to know she needed to chamber a round manually  let alone how to do so.  Even if she managed to figure out how to insert the magazine she would have then pulled the trigger heard a click but it owuld not have fired.

Squeaky Fromme was around guns all her life too but not semi-autos and she didn't know she needed to manully chamber a round first so she pulled the trigger and nothing happened when she tried to kill US President Ford.

"As Ford drew near, Fromme pulled a .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol, aimed it at the president and pulled the trigger. Witnesses nearby heard the "click" of the hammer dropping. Secret Service agents later found that the pistol had four rounds in its magazine, but the chamber was empty.

Agents swarmed Fromme and wrestled the weapon from her hand as she shouted, "Don't get excited! It didn't go off! It didn't go off!"

http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Would-be-assassin-Squeaky-Fromme-is-paroled-3221893.php

You want so badly to believe that Sheila did it instead of Jeremy that you are willing to ignore evidence and common sense in order to believe what you want to instead of what the evidence and logic dictate.

 
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #189 on: October 08, 2014, 10:37:PM »
I can´t imagine Colin talking to Jeremy´s former headmaster!

so somone must of told him the headmater said that i wonder who that could be.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #190 on: October 08, 2014, 10:43:PM »
Hi Neil there were extracts from Colin's book...

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5894.msg262856.html#msg262856
That's great, thanks Patti.  I have just read them.  Powerful stuff.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #191 on: October 08, 2014, 10:44:PM »
Jeremy put in his written statement and admitted in court he never saw Sheila fire a gun and to his knowledge had not done so.

That means he lied when he told police at the scene that he taught her how to operate the murder weapon and that she had fired it with him and all other guns in the house.

To say he never knew her to fire any weapons and to say he taughter her and she used them all are mutually exclusive claims.

He also clearly lied about taking the gun out to shoot rabbits and leaving it out.  To support such made up tale he staged bullets by the phone.  Too many bullets though so he ended up revelaing they were staged.  His claim the gun had no moderaor when he left it out also betrays it was false because the gun was used with the moderator attached and there is no way Sheila went to the closet just to get th emoderator let alone took it off to put away after killing everyone.  It quite clearly was used to kill her as well though which is why no blood was in the rifle muzzle though she suffered a contact wound.  The moderator was attached so her blood went in there instead of the muzzle of the rifle.

Where is the source please that he admitted in court that he had never seen Sheila fire a gun?

I think you will find that he said he had taken her target shooting, he does not say she fired a rifle at any target.  Remember he was asked if she could fire a weapon...OK his answer was yes, he obviously thought she could. Its not beyond possibility, in fact it is likely that she could have. Whether Sheila did is debatable, that is why we are here today. 


The point of whether she could or could not fire a weapon is a possibility whether you like it or not. There is absolutely no proof that she could not, just like there is no proof that she could, but it is very likely that she did know how to use one.

Not firing a weapon does not mean that it is impossible to use one.  Ruth Ellis had never fired a gun before but she used one to kill her cheating lover and did not miss.

How many people buy guns in America that have never fired a weapon before in their lives then suddenly one day they have shot someone...I'd say that could be a very high percentage.  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #192 on: October 08, 2014, 10:45:PM »
That's great, thanks Patti.  I have just read them.  Powerful stuff.

It is Neil. I remember when I first read it. I was shocked.  :o

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #193 on: October 08, 2014, 10:50:PM »
Hi Neil there were extracts from Colin's book...

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5894.msg262856.html#msg262856

I don't know why there is so much talk about Collins book in this thread it is way off topic.  There is one aspect related though to the topic.

Jeremy lied to Collin and told him that June and Nevill told Sheila they were going to make her give up her children for adoption, that things got heated over such and the discussion wa scontinuing as he left.  This lie was to convince Collin that Sheila did it.

Jeremy well knew police would have a field day picking apart the claim they coudl single handedly force her to give up the kids for adoption and told the police that the discussio ended before he left.  Furthermore he said it was not heated Sheila was very calm.  He admitted the discussion wa sonly about part time foster care so that is why it did not get heated and Sheila didn't mind. 

This is a perfect exaple of how Jeremy intentionally told different people different things at different times.  He lied to various people to get them on his side.  He did the same thing with police.  He told police at the scene one thing but later admitted in his statment Sheila had not fired any guns to his knowledge. He seemed to think no one would compare notes and figure out he lied to them.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #194 on: October 08, 2014, 10:51:PM »
He tends to write all his letters in captials. Still though the actual content is awful.

Yes, he does Mat and he does so 'only' because he thinks it might be easier for people to read - which is fair enough.
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