No Motive

[Mr. Gee]

There were several more reasons. However inheriting what the judge said was a lot more than £436,000 (prior to MS's death) was the main reason.

ALREADY IN PRISON ON THE FARM:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died.


BOARDING SCHOOL:

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school.


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY:

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone.

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins.


OPPORTUNITY:

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat.


HATRED:

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger.


RESENTMENT:

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ?


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR:

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children.


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER: 

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'.


STATUS, POWER, FAME:

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged.


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING:

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'.


ON THE DAY:

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present.


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN:

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford.


ADOPTION:

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like.


THE BUSINESS:

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy.

We to be honest the judge was only summing up that which had been brought up in the trial. The rest of which you have listed certainly was not stated at the trial, so it is only your suggestion and opinion?

[John]

There were several more reasons. However inheriting what the judge said was a lot more than £436,000 (prior to MS's death) was the main reason.

ALREADY IN PRISON ON THE FARM:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died.


BOARDING SCHOOL:

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school.


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY:

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone.

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins.


OPPORTUNITY:

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat.


HATRED:

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger.


RESENTMENT:

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ?


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR:

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children.


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER: 

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'.


STATUS, POWER, FAME:

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged.


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING:

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'.


ON THE DAY:

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present.


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN:

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford.


ADOPTION:

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like.


THE BUSINESS:

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy.

Excellent post Adam, I must keep it for future reference.

As for the claim by another that Jeremy was going to inherit in any event, that is not strictly true as the twins were being brought into the equation, something which Jeremy Bamber just detested.

And as for the claim that the jury would have come to a different verdict had they known about the NOTW deal, pure bollocks.  The truth is had they had DNA in 1986 then it would have been a unanimous verdict and not a 10:2 split.

[Patti]

Hi John

I don't think they did have LCN DNA in 1985 otherwise I am sure they would have used it. However, it was in its early stages and not quite developed until the 1990'S 

[John]

Hi John

I don't think they did have LCN DNA in 1985 otherwise I am sure they would have used it. However, it was in its early stages and not quite developed until the 1990'S 

Yes, the DNA results were used in the 1991 appeal.

[Caroline]

Hi John

I don't think they did have LCN DNA in 1985 otherwise I am sure they would have used it. However, it was in its early stages and not quite developed until the 1990'S 

DNA was first used in 1987 to secure the conviction of Colin Pitchfork.

[Stephanie]

DNA was first used in 1987 to secure the conviction of Colin Pitchfork.

I think Patti is referring to low copy number (LCN) DNA profiling.

[Patti]

Yes, the DNA results were used in the 1991 appeal.

I wonder why 1991 appeal is not in Bailii?

[Stephanie]

I wonder why 1991 appeal is not in Bailii?

LCN DNA testing wasn't available until the end of the 90's Patti - you were right.

[Patti]

I think Patti is referring to low copy number (LCN) DNA profiling.

I am Steph you are right. 

[Stephanie]

I am Steph you are right. 

 

[John]

I wonder why 1991 appeal is not in Bailii?

Sorry Patti, that should have been 2001.

[lookout]

 Doesn't mention the 2 expulsions from school,by Sheila ?? Do we know why ??

[Mr. Gee]

DNA was first used in 1987 to secure the conviction of Colin Pitchfork.

However it was definitely NOT used in the Bamber case for the trial. They tested for DNA in the 90's, but not in 1985/6.
Even when it was tested in the 90's the results were inconclusive. In the trial they only used blood grouping to demonstrate that it was Sheila's blood that was found in the silencer.

However, I am curious as to just how often blood has been found in a silencer of a .22 calibre under normal use and in other shooting crimes, any answers?

[lookout]

However it was definitely NOT used in the Bamber case for the trial. They tested for DNA in the 90's, but not in 1985/6.
Even when it was tested in the 90's the results were inconclusive. In the trial they only used blood grouping to demonstrate that it was Sheila's blood that was found in the silencer.

However, I am curious as to just how often blood has been found in a silencer of a .22 calibre under normal use and in other shooting crimes, any answers?

Blood grouping as we know,doesn't mean a thing,because of the match in Sheilas' and RWB's blood group O,which is a Universal group which more of the population have than any other group.

I'd found info from 2011 yesterday which had stated that SJ on finding blood on " a " silencer,told AE not to say anything ?? AE states this in her statement.
Why all the " don't say anything " tactics ? SJ may as well have told AE that Jeremy didn't kill anyone for all we know,but to keep the momentum going. THIS IS WHY I DON'T TRUST ANY OF THEM !

[Mr. Gee]

Blood grouping as we know,doesn't mean a thing,because of the match in Sheilas' and RWB's blood group O,which is a Universal group which more of the population have than any other group.

I'd found info from 2011 yesterday which had stated that SJ on finding blood on " a " silencer,told AE not to say anything ?? AE states this in her statement.
Why all the " don't say anything " tactics ? SJ may as well have told AE that Jeremy didn't kill anyone for all we know,but to keep the momentum going. THIS IS WHY I DON'T TRUST ANY OF THEM !

SJ ?