No Motive

[JackiePreece]

In all the months and years on this forum NOBODY has shown any proof that the Bamber Inheritance was the motive for Jeremy murdering his family
Not a single thing
The Bamber inheritance was always going to be left to Jeremy and Sheila


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[Adam]

Well June was planning to give the twins a bigger share of her will.

Jeremy admitted in court he was tied to the farm in order to inherit from Neville. Which could be another 5 - 20 years.

Bamber would share any inheritance with Sheila and the twins. Unless June had completely frozen him out by then. Something Jeremy thought was unfair.

June may leave her will to Neville if still alive. And vice versa. Everyone may only inherit upon both parents being deceased. Which again could be a long way away. Bamber was not prepared to wait.

[JackiePreece]

Well June was planning to give the twins a bigger share of her will.

Jeremy admitted in court he was tied to the farm in order to inherit from Neville. Which could be another 5 - 20 years.

Bamber would share any inheritance with Sheila and the twins. Unless June had completely frozen him out by then. Something Jeremy thought was unfair.

June may leave her will to Neville if still alive. And vice versa. Everyone may only inherit upon both parents being deceased. Which again could be a long way away. Bamber was not prepared to wait.

And your point?

Show me proof Jeremy and his sister were NOT going to inherit the Bamber fortunes

[lookout]

Well June was planning to give the twins a bigger share of her will.

Jeremy admitted in court he was tied to the farm in order to inherit from Neville. Which could be another 5 - 20 years.

Bamber would share any inheritance with Sheila and the twins. Unless June had completely frozen him out by then. Something Jeremy thought was unfair.

June may leave her will to Neville if still alive. And vice versa. Everyone may only inherit upon both parents being deceased. Which again could be a long way away. Bamber was not prepared to wait.

You can bet your life that had June and Neville died naturally and had left money for the twins,either in trust or otherwise,it would STILL have been challenged by the relatives as being unfair because of the lack of bloodline,next of kin and all that.

[Jan]

Well June was planning to give the twins a bigger share of her will.

Jeremy admitted in court he was tied to the farm in order to inherit from Neville. Which could be another 5 - 20 years.

Bamber would share any inheritance with Sheila and the twins. Unless June had completely frozen him out by then. Something Jeremy thought was unfair.

June may leave her will to Neville if still alive. And vice versa. Everyone may only inherit upon both parents being deceased. Which again could be a long way away. Bamber was not prepared to wait.

He already had shares in two successful businesses worth a lot of money? If he had gone off to start a new life he could have sold those shares for a good sum of money - enough to set him up quite nicely .

so he was not a slave and he was not tied down .

[Caroline]

In all the months and years on this forum NOBODY has shown any proof that the Bamber Inheritance was the motive for Jeremy murdering his family
Not a single thing
The Bamber inheritance was always going to be left to Jeremy and Sheila


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Yes they have, you just refuse to accept it - but the jury did.

[Adam]

He already had shares in two successful businesses worth a lot of money? If he had gone off to start a new life he could have sold those shares for a good sum of money - enough to set him up quite nicely .

so he was not a slave and he was not tied down .

I do not know the value of his 8% share in the caravan site. What was his other business and value ? Sources please.

He did try to avoid being involved in the family business for as long as possible. But realised it was his best option. Telling Julie he had too much to lose.

[guest154]

Yes they have, you just refuse to accept it - but the jury did.

Yup. Financial gain was shown and accepted as motive. Denying it doesn't make it go away.

[Jan]

I do not know the value of his 8% share in the caravan site. What was his other business and value ? Sources please.

He did try to avoid being involved in the family business for as long as possible. But realised it was his best option. Telling Julie he had too much to lose.

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yes you do - you commented on it before .

[Jan]

This came from Grahame - ask him for the source or show me it is not true?

until then I have seen nothing to say its not true .




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    In 1985, Nevill Bamber, his wife June Bamber and their son, Jeremy Bamber co-owned the farming company, N and J Bamber Ltd. The share ownership was distributed whereby Nevill Bamber owned 79%, June Bamber owned 1% and finally Jeremy Bamber owned 20% of the company.

    While N and J Bamber Ltd, owned all the assets of the company, i.e. machinery, buildings, crops, livestock and vehicles, 600 acres of the farm was leasehold, and a further 100 acres was freehold. 50 acres (otherwise known as Charity Farm) was owned by Nevill and June Bamber, while the other 50 acres (otherwise known as Renters Farm) was shared equally between Nevill Bamber, June Bamber and Jeremy Bamber, while White House Farm itself was and still is leasehold.

    Upon the tragic deaths of Nevill and June Bamber, Basil Cook was appointed Executor of their respective estates and thus was responsible for safeguarding their assets. In order to assist Jeremy Bamber in the daily management of the farm, Basil Cock appointed Peter Eaton to manage N and J Bamber Ltd, until Jeremy Bamber was able to take that role upon himself. Peter Eaton was appointed Farm Manager on the 9th August 1985.

[JackiePreece]

Yes they have, you just refuse to accept it - but the jury did.

Juries make mistakes

Fact

Do you not read other MOJ cases

You also know that Jeremy would have almost certainly walked if the jury knew about the NOTW story

You also know JM almost certainly lied saying she couldn't remember when she signed the NOTW deal

There is NO proof Jeremy hated his parents
There is NO proof Jeremy hated Sheila
there is no proof Jeremy hated Farming
And using one of your ridiculous sayings there is no proof he was desperate for money

No motive

[Caroline]

Juries make mistakes

Fact

Do you not read other MOJ cases

You also know that Jeremy would have almost certainly walked if the jury knew about the NOTW story

You also know JM almost certainly lied saying she couldn't remember when she signed the NOTW deal

There is NO proof Jeremy hated his parents
There is NO proof Jeremy hated Sheila
there is no proof Jeremy hated Farming
And using one of your ridiculous sayings there is no proof he was desperate for money

No motive

You don't have the monopoly you know 

[Mr. Gee]

The inheritance being his motive was assumed I'm afraid. They had to think up something and just presumed it was the inheritance. Possibly because he asked a policeman in what order did they die?

Mind you if you think about it if the inheritance was the motive and he had to ask that question, then you would think that if he arranged the whole scene of murder you'd think he would so arrange things so that the order of deaths would be apparent?

[Adam]

There were several more reasons. However inheriting what the judge said was a lot more than £436,000 (prior to MS's death) was the main reason.

ALREADY IN PRISON ON THE FARM:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died. 


BOARDING SCHOOL: 

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school. 


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY: 

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone. 

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins. 


OPPORTUNITY: 

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat. 


HATRED: 

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger. 


RESENTMENT: 

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ? 


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR: 

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children. 


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER:  

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'. 


STATUS, POWER, FAME: 

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged. 


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING: 

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'. 


ON THE DAY: 

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present. 


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN: 

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford. 


ADOPTION: 

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like. 


THE BUSINESS: 

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy. 

[Adam]

This came from Grahame - ask him for the source or show me it is not true?

until then I have seen nothing to say its not true .




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    In 1985, Nevill Bamber, his wife June Bamber and their son, Jeremy Bamber co-owned the farming company, N and J Bamber Ltd. The share ownership was distributed whereby Nevill Bamber owned 79%, June Bamber owned 1% and finally Jeremy Bamber owned 20% of the company.

    While N and J Bamber Ltd, owned all the assets of the company, i.e. machinery, buildings, crops, livestock and vehicles, 600 acres of the farm was leasehold, and a further 100 acres was freehold. 50 acres (otherwise known as Charity Farm) was owned by Nevill and June Bamber, while the other 50 acres (otherwise known as Renters Farm) was shared equally between Nevill Bamber, June Bamber and Jeremy Bamber, while White House Farm itself was and still is leasehold.

    Upon the tragic deaths of Nevill and June Bamber, Basil Cook was appointed Executor of their respective estates and thus was responsible for safeguarding their assets. In order to assist Jeremy Bamber in the daily management of the farm, Basil Cock appointed Peter Eaton to manage N and J Bamber Ltd, until Jeremy Bamber was able to take that role upon himself. Peter Eaton was appointed Farm Manager on the 9th August 1985.

This is not proving he could sell up, walk away and live comfortably.

He probably could for a week or two.