Jeremy Just An Ordinary Boy

[Jane]

Selective rather than short, I fear. 

I suspect you're correct, Harters.

[Alias]

Bottom line is that there seems to be a general dissatisfaction with how things have become on the forum.
For me it is first and foremost (and probably only), the change of tone. The acceptance of rudeness towards members, including yours truly, the latter of course being of most annoyance to me and which I am addressing now. 
I have never cared about peoples´ stance on the case. Caroline, I don´t think it is fair to say my attitude towards you has changed because of your new stance, it happened later, and you know that.
It changed when scipio repeatedly started calling me horrible names in each and every post in answer to mine. I would say it is plain bullying (I know he does it to other posters as well, but I am reacting to what is said to me now); nothing really was done about that, it just has continued, even though I clearly expressed frustration about it.
Then seeing the moderators and other members, whom I regarded as fair, good people, buddying up with the person abusing me, really changed my feelings. I basically interpret it as you all agreeing with him calling me an imbecile, idiot, liar, or whatever else comes out of his keyboard.
That is what happened; don´t think it is because you changed your stance!!! I don´t care as long as you are fair moderators!

I know that jackie is exceptionally rude and gets personal in her attacks. I don´t like that one bit either. Jackie has always been like that, and it has gotten her banned numerous times. It probably will again.

Harters, thanks for your explanation about what led up to your many attacks on Patti. It was open and honest, and I appreciate that.

[Caroline]

Bottom line is that there seems to be a general dissatisfaction with how things have become on the forum.
For me it is first and foremost (and probably only), the change of tone. The acceptance of rudeness towards members, including yours truly, the latter of course being of most annoyance to me and which I am addressing now. 
I have never cared about peoples´ stance on the case. Caroline, I don´t think it is fair to say my attitude towards you has changed because of your new stance, it happened later, and you know that.
It changed when scipio repeatedly started calling me horrible names in each and every post in answer to mine. I would say it is plain bullying (I know he does it to other posters as well, but I am reacting to what is said to me now); nothing really was done about that, it just has continued, even though I clearly expressed frustration about it.
Then seeing the moderators and other members, whom I regarded as fair, good people, buddying up with the person abusing me, really changed my feelings. I basically interpret it as you all agreeing with him calling me an imbecile, idiot, liar, or whatever else comes out of his keyboard.
That is what happened; don´t think it is because you changed your stance!!! I don´t care as long as you are fair moderators!

I know that jackie is exceptionally rude and gets personal in her attacks. I don´t like that one bit either. Jackie has always been like that, and it has gotten her banned numerous times. It probably will again.

Harters, thanks for your explanation about what led up to your many attacks on Patti. It was open and honest, and I appreciate that.

Hi Alias,

Thanks for your response and I wasn't just referring to you. However, I have repeatedly reprimanded Scipio for his rudeness and I don't agree at ALL with his approach to some posters including both you and Lookout and have said so. However, I can't be expected to see every post and go through them with a fine tooth comb - when I see the insults, I comment on them and even remove them. I agree with a lot of what Scipio says (with exception to the moderator) and if I agree, why shouldn't I say so? I'm NOT agreeing with any insults leveled at you or anyone else.  Also I'm not the only moderator here but it all seems to be leveled at my door when there is a problem. Also, I do have a no frills approach when discussing the case because certain aspects are quite serious and I don't see the need to pussy foot. We are all adults here and don't see the need to partronise.

I know that people have seen Jackie's attacks on me and just because she has always been like that, doesn't mean she should get away with it but very few people challenge 'her' rudeness.

[Caroline]

Patti you are quite amazing

And you're a stirrer!!

[Alias]

You know what you get when you allow jackie to post here, just sayin´....

[Caroline]

You know what you get when you allow jackie to post here, just sayin´....

Actually Alias, I had no experience of her - I had heard about her from others, they didn't do her justice! 

[Patti]

I think its very sad that members of this forum are openly discussed, I think its very hurtful.

All members should be treated with courtesy past and present.

Hartley its a poor excuse that you have made but in order to stop all of this I will openly except your 2nd apology and hope that we can continue are arguments in the fashion that we used to.

[No-Bits]

I think its very sad that members of this forum are openly discussed, I think its very hurtful.

All members should be treated with courtesy past and present.

Hartley its a poor excuse that you have made but in order to stop all of this I will openly except your 2nd apology and hope that we can continue are arguments in the fashion that we used to.

Hey love, I'm done. I was kinda hoping for an apology for your initial rudeness also.

In any event, leave me out of it please.

[Caroline]

I think its very sad that members of this forum are openly discussed, I think its very hurtful.

All members should be treated with courtesy past and present.

Hartley its a poor excuse that you have made but in order to stop all of this I will openly except your 2nd apology and hope that we can continue are arguments in the fashion that we used to.

But you thought it OK to do that to me! Yes ALL members SHOULD be treated with respect including the mods! But by the same token they should have the right to defend themselves when attacked! I'm no different from you and as you're fond of saying 'sorry, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to express it'. Your fall out with Hartley is nothing to do with your personal attack on me.

[Patti]

Hey love, I'm done. I was kinda hoping for an apology for your initial rudeness also.

In any event, leave me out of it please.

Failure comes to those who have tried and I have failed with you once again. I doubt your apology was in good faith. 

[No-Bits]

Failure comes to those who have tried and I have failed with you once again. I doubt your apology was in good faith.

Leave me out of it please.

[Patti]

But you thought it OK to do that to me! Yes ALL members SHOULD be treated with respect including the mods! But by the same token they should have the right to defend themselves when attacked! I'm no different from you and as you're fond of saying 'sorry, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to express it'. Your fall out with Hartley is nothing to do with your personal attack on me.

You appear to want this to carry on don't you. I call it goading.

[Jane]

Bottom line is that there seems to be a general dissatisfaction with how things have become on the forum.
For me it is first and foremost (and probably only), the change of tone. The acceptance of rudeness towards members, including yours truly, the latter of course being of most annoyance to me and which I am addressing now. 
I have never cared about peoples´ stance on the case. Caroline, I don´t think it is fair to say my attitude towards you has changed because of your new stance, it happened later, and you know that.
It changed when scipio repeatedly started calling me horrible names in each and every post in answer to mine. I would say it is plain bullying (I know he does it to other posters as well, but I am reacting to what is said to me now); nothing really was done about that, it just has continued, even though I clearly expressed frustration about it.
Then seeing the moderators and other members, whom I regarded as fair, good people, buddying up with the person abusing me, really changed my feelings. I basically interpret it as you all agreeing with him calling me an imbecile, idiot, liar, or whatever else comes out of his keyboard.
That is what happened; don´t think it is because you changed your stance!!! I don´t care as long as you are fair moderators!

I know that jackie is exceptionally rude and gets personal in her attacks. I don´t like that one bit either. Jackie has always been like that, and it has gotten her banned numerous times. It probably will again.

Harters, thanks for your explanation about what led up to your many attacks on Patti. It was open and honest, and I appreciate that.

Alias, I have reprimanded Scipio until I'm blue in the face. It's all water off a duck's back, to him. He call people less than polite names like we use courtesies -well, MOSTLY and SOME of us- but I never feel with him, that it's personal. I would ask of you, how long, having reprimanded him, do you think he should be given the "cold shoulder"? I ask, because if we should employ this with every poster the forum may very quickly reach the point where no one was speaking.

[Caroline]

You appear to want this to carry on don't you. I call it goading.

No, I do not but I do call what you did last night and what you appear to be trying to do now 'goading'. This is your doing not mine! I said nothing the last two times you did this but not this time!

[Alias]

Alias, I have reprimanded Scipio until I'm blue in the face. It's all water off a duck's back, to him. He call people less than polite names like we use courtesies -well, MOSTLY and SOME of us- but I never feel with him, that it's personal. I would ask of you, how long, having reprimanded him, do you think he should be given the "cold shoulder"? I ask, because if we should employ this with every poster the forum may very quickly reach the point where no one was speaking.

I haven´t really felt that, but if you say so. You have been discussing me in PMs with scipio - somehow I don´t like that thought...
Guess it is my problem. I can´t answer back as well as if this were my own language, which puts me at a disadvantage, and I should probably just stay away. Not trying to play the victim, those are just the facts, and I don´t feel as comfortable here as I used to.

P.S. You don´t feel that it is personal because you are not on the receiving end (maybe even agreeing with him deep down). I do.