What exhibits were destroyed in 1996?

[Adam]

It's taken a lot of hard work getting Grahame to give up, Alias to say she is undecided and April, Caroline & Susan to change their stance.

[Patti]

Why are you saying 'I will say this only once' ?

I am always having to say repeat things to people after they ask the same question.

Have you not read the 2002 appeal ? Neville's face was smashed in. I have already posted the thread post today.

Where does Vanezes say his face was smashed in Adam?

[Adam]

41. Nevill Bamber, who was wearing his pyjamas had been shot eight times. There were two wounds to the right side and two to the top of the head. If not immediately fatal, the combined effect of these four injuries would have been immediate unconsciousness and incapacitation. There was a wound to the left side of the lip and another to the left part of the lower jaw. This injury caused severe fracturing of the jaw, of the teeth in that area and damaged soft tissue in the neck and the larynx. These features of this particular injury and the resultant flow of blood into the mouth meant, in the pathologist's opinion, that Nevill Bamber would not have been able to engage in purposeful talk. There were also gunshot wounds to the left shoulder and a grazing wound above the left elbow.

42. The examination of Nevill Bamber's body also revealed black eyes and a broken nose, linear bruising to the cheeks, lacerations to the head, linear type bruising to the right forearm, bruising to the left wrist and forearm and three circular burn type marks to the back. The linear marks were consistent with Mr Bamber having been struck with a long blunt object, possibly a gun.

[Jan]

A lot of those injuries were cause by the shots to the head - and as he was severely injured he could have been beaten after being shot and not fighting back.

What did you think about the report on the PJ top?

[Jan]

Adam

why do you think the bullet cases were found next to Sheila to one side of her head and under her body - does it tell you that in your book

I thought you said he was at the end of the bed by her feet - so not quite sure how the case would be under her body?

[Patti]

A lot of those injuries were cause by the shots to the head - and as he was severely injured he could have been beaten after being shot and not fighting back.

What did you think about the report on the PJ top?

I agree Jansus. There is no such report that NB was bashed in the face....

[Adam]

A lot of those injuries were cause by the shots to the head - and as he was severely injured he could have been beaten after being shot and not fighting back.

What did you think about the report on the PJ top?

The evidence suggests a fully loaded rifle was completely discharged in the main bedroom.

Neville got downstairs and was followed by Jeremy. Or Neville followed Jeremy as he went downstairs to re load.

Either way, there was a fight as Jeremy had ran out of bullets. Jeremy winning the fight as Neville had been shot four times upstairs.

[lookout]

It's taken a lot of hard work getting Grahame to give up, Alias to say she is undecided and April, Caroline & Susan to change their stance.

So exactly what is it that you're trying to achieve ?

[Jan]

give up what ?

discussing a case where a man is still trying to prove his freedom . ?

I don't get what your personal aim is and why you have even got one tbh

[Jan]

Adam you have ignored my questions

What about the PJ top - where does it show the burns and bullet holes and the comments about the blood staining ( see earlier in thread)

And in your theory of how Jeremy shot Sheila how would the bullet casings end up underneath her?

[Adam]

Adam you have ignored my questions

What about the PJ top - where does it show the burns and bullet holes and the comments about the blood staining ( see earlier in thread)

And in your theory of how Jeremy shot Sheila how would the bullet casings end up underneath her?

I was not ignoring anything. I was posting on another thread.

What about the pyjama top ?

I was not aware about the bullet casings being underneath Sheila. Does not mean much to me.

[lookout]

" Doesn't mean much to you "? It's all part of the case.
 How about explaining why there was no blood on Nevilles' PJ jacket.
 The burn mark at the top of the sleeve.
 The tears in the jacket.

 Then the bullet cases beneath the head of Sheila.

 Do give us your version,as it'll be interesting. BTW,the jacket diagram in on this thread.

[Adam]

" Doesn't mean much to you "? It's all part of the case.
 How about explaining why there was no blood on Nevilles' PJ jacket.
 The burn mark at the top of the sleeve.
 The tears in the jacket.

 Then the bullet cases beneath the head of Sheila.

 Do give us your version,as it'll be interesting. BTW,the jacket diagram in on this thread.

How does any of that show Sheila was the killer, rather than Jeremy ?

[Jan]

we don't know - but that is why we are still asking questions .

surely it covers these two questions in your book?


actually what the info appears to say on the back of the PJ top there are no blood stains in the photos  so staining occurred during pm.

Just curious to know what that means and where are the burn marks?

And as you have studied the case - how do the casings come out of the rifle and how would one end up under her head?

It might even re-enforce your arguments for all we know?

so don't you think you could check your oracle?

[No-Bits]

" Doesn't mean much to you "? It's all part of the case.
 How about explaining why there was no blood on Nevilles' PJ jacket.
 The burn mark at the top of the sleeve.
 The tears in the jacket.

 Then the bullet cases beneath the head of Sheila.

 Do give us your version,as it'll be interesting. BTW,the jacket diagram in on this thread.

Hi Lookout, it sounds very confusing doesn't it?

One thing that you 'appear' to be missing, is that regardless of who was responsible for their deaths, both Nevill and Sheila were very much dead.

The lack of blood staining on Nevills clothing (if that is even accurate), doesn't indicate that he was killed by one person over another. The blood staining would/should be identical regardless of who his killer was.

Likewise with the bullet case. The spent case ejects to the right of the rifle, it appears that one went under the bed and one ricocheted and landed on the other side of Sheila's body. Regardless as to whether she committed suicide or was murdered, the rifle is in the same position and the discharge of casings is the same. Therefore, again, there is no indication of who was responsible for her death which can be gleaned from the bullet casings alone.

For a shorter version, read Adams post below.