What exhibits were destroyed in 1996?

[susan]

Lookout I thought leggings were hanging over the top of the banister not heard of this other bucket.

[Jan]

one of the buckets contained the childrens tracksuit bottoms I think so it is possible.

[JackiePreece]

As is yours.

 
Caroline does my post refer to you in any way and was my post asking you to comment? Do you not think my post a reasonable suggestion, or are you commenting just to tell me that I am prejudiced as well as Adam? A pretty fruitless and childish comment wouldn't you agree?
In actual fact my post was a perfectly reasonable one. But Adam's answer was made purely because of prejudice. Why should one assume without doubt that it was Jeremy who staged the scene when there is no evidence whatsoever that he did. Unless of course we agree that the scene was staged just because you don't think it looked right?
Yet my opinion is that the scene was probably not staged by anyone. On the contrary my "unprejudiced" answer was quite a logical one in that an officer confessed that indeed the raid team themselves has created the mess. So you see my opinion was not based upon bias or prejudice at all, but by reasonable argument based upon this officers confession.

[Adam]

(1) How does this point to Jeremy if it was staged? The police or rather a policeman has already confessed that it was the raid team that created the mess ie knocked over the chairs and the sugar etc. So by blaming it on Jeremy is just a wild guess by you that is governed by your prejudicial mind.
 
(2) You are right, In all probability the scene was not staged.
 
(3) What the Judge had interpreted as a struggle for life may have been the damage created by the raid team. But as I said before neither I or you were there, so everything that you or I say about it is at best just a guess. But of course your guess is governed not by facts but by your prejudicial mind.
 
(4) This also applied to the Bible. This was probably moved by the police as they have already confessed that they moved the body of Sheila. Indeed one officer complained that the Bible had indeed been moved. If so this must have been the police as Jeremy was outside with other officers at the time.

I am not aware of the raid team saying they knocked things over.

They are a top level professional outfit. They met no hostility when entering WHF. There was no big fire fight or attack on them.

Why should there be smashed glass and upturned chairs from the raid team ?

[Jan]

Adam - why do you keep saying you are not aware of things when you are? the statements concerning this have been on the forum quite a few times.

[Adam]

Adam - why do you keep saying you are not aware of things when you are? the statements concerning this have been on the forum quite a few times.

Are the raid team saying they charged in like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Knocking things over and smashing things all over the floor. 

[Jan]

Are the raid team saying they charged in like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Knocking things over and smashing things.

they admitted to disturbing the scene as they rushed into the kitchen and possibly knocking things over.

[Adam]

they admitted to disturbing the scene as they rushed into the kitchen and possibly knocking things over.

Have you got a source please ?

[Jan]

Yes Dickinson in 1991 COLP interview. They admitted to knocking over chairs as they rushed in - so that means they could have disturbed other items as well .

He also told anne eaton that they had disturbed things as they entered.

you don't think they went in tippy toeing about if they thought there was a mad person with a gun do you ?

despite the fact they had heard nothing or seen nothing for hours

[Adam]

Yes Dickinson in 1991 COLP interview. They admitted to knocking over chairs as they rushed in - so that means they could have disturbed other items as well .

He also told anne eaton that they had disturbed things as they entered.

you don't think they went in tippy toeing about if they thought there was a mad person with a gun do you ?

despite the fact they had heard nothing or seen nothing for hours

Can you post the document or link please.

[guest154]

I've never understood why, considering what evidence was destroyed, people have acted like it could prove Bambers innocence. Almost as confusing as to why people pretend there was an actual court order in place at the time to stop destruction of evidence.

[Jan]

Can you post the document or link please.

no
 I told you where it was - the 1991 documents. The senior officers thought the raid team had knocked things over - Anne eaton also mentioned it in her statements - the raid team said they had only moved chairs - inn the end there were as usual contradictory statements - so it was decided there was enough other evidence that there was a struggle so it did not matter.

[Adam]

no
 I told you where it was - the 1991 documents. The senior officers thought the raid team had knocked things over - Anne eaton also mentioned it in her statements - the raid team said they had only moved chairs - inn the end there were as usual contradictory statements - so it was decided there was enough other evidence that there was a struggle so it did not matter.

Thank you.

So the judge may have been wrong in saying Neville 'put up a tremendous fight for life'.

The killer may have shot and killed Neville. Then smashed his face in. Silly bumbling raid team.

Hang on, hadn't the killer ran out of bullets upstairs ?

[Patti]

Thank you.

So the judge may have been wrong in saying Neville 'put up a tremendous fight for life'.

The killer may have shot and killed Neville. Then smashed his face in. Silly bumbling raid team.

Hang on, hadn't the killer ran out of bullets upstairs ?

Adam

I shall only say this once!

There is no forensic evidence to support a fight in the kitchen took place.

If I was to hit you over the head with the butt of the rifle there would be blood spatter up on the ceiling and behind the assailant and all over the kitchen floor.

The evidence shows that this is not the case. However there is droplets of blood on the kitchen floor but there is not ample enough to suggest a bitter fight. These droplets could be from the gunshots alone. They are not smeared or elongated which suggests they are droplets from a person who is stood still or back spatter from a gunshot wound...  

[Adam]

Adam

I shall only say this once!

There is no forensic evidence to support a fight in the kitchen took place.

If I was to hit you over the head with the butt of the rifle there would be blood spatter up on the ceiling and behind the assailant and all over the kitchen floor.

The evidence shows that this is not the case. However there is droplets of blood on the kitchen floor but there is not ample enough to suggest a bitter fight. These droplets could be from the gunshots alone. They are not smeared or elongated which suggests they are droplets from a person who is stood still or back spatter from a gunshot wound...

Why are you saying 'I will say this only once' ?

I am always having to say repeat things to people after they ask the same question.

Have you not read the 2002 appeal ? Neville's face was smashed in. I have already posted the thread post today.