What exhibits were destroyed in 1996?

[Jan]

if the burns were inflicted on the night then the pyjama jacket was not on?

Also a long time ago I saw a post from Campion saying that near the aga there was some kind of  "gas" tap - so you could light the aga quicker ? Does anyone know how you would light that gas tap or if it was actually there?

[Adam]

If the body had been there for hours how do you know that some of those injuries were not caused whilst he was shot and incapable of fighting back - mainly the head injuries ?

and as we discussed before - was his pyjama jacket of when he was shot ? If not why would Jeremy put it on if he was staging it as him being shot by Sheila?

Why the cushion on the floor to absorb some of the blood?

Do you think that Sheila fired all the shots into Neville, killing him. Then proceeded to beat him and cause those injuries.

[JackiePreece]

There was quite clearly a fight of some description, the pathologist attributes many of the wounds to Nevill's arms as being caused by being struck with a linear object. Naturally the most obvious linear object to hand would be the murder weapon, although metal pokers are also a candidate.

I will not speak for Caroline, however I am of the opinion that a fight (perhaps even just a one sided assault) did indeed take place, however there are items in the kitchen which appear to be unnaturally placed, another word would be staged.

I trust that enlightens you Miss P? 

Thank you hartley. But I do not need enlightening as you put it as that would acknowledge that you are right in your suspicions concerning Jeremy that he staged the scene of tyhe murders. However in any murder scene there are things that are by the very character of the beast "that are not right". As I said your suspicions are probably guided by the fact that you ae looking at the scene with prejudiced eyes and that if anything was staged it was probably staged by the police and not Jeremy. However I think rather that either of us are just guessing at the very best, as none of us were their at the time so cannot confirm our individual suspicions without further evidence."
 

[JackiePreece]

There was quite clearly a fight of some description, the pathologist attributes many of the wounds to Nevill's arms as being caused by being struck with a linear object. Naturally the most obvious linear object to hand would be the murder weapon, although metal pokers are also a candidate.

I will not speak for Caroline, however I am of the opinion that a fight (perhaps even just a one sided assault) did indeed take place, however there are items in the kitchen which appear to be unnaturally placed, another word would be staged.

I trust that enlightens you Miss P? 

"Would you include the buckets in your description of "unnaturally placed"?  Why would buckets of blood stained clothing supposedly containing Sheila's menstrual stained underwear be in the kitchen when other more suitable rooms existed?  The raid team don't appear to have made reference to these buckets in their WS's?  The police soc photographer, DC David Bird, doesn't  appear to have photographed the buckets?  And the soc officer, DC David Hammersley, doesn't appear to have made any reference to the buckets in his trial transcript?

Please enlighten me with your pearls of wisdom 

[lookout]

if the burns were inflicted on the night then the pyjama jacket was not on?

Also a long time ago I saw a post from Campion saying that near the aga there was some kind of  "gas" tap - so you could light the aga quicker ? Does anyone know how you would light that gas tap or if it was actually there?

I remember those gas lighters.A relative used a match,or a taper to light it. It was a hollow-coiled thing.
The tap was there for the attachment of the poker,via a fitting on the poker to the tap. It wasn't unusual to have these fittings with the old Agas'. Don't know about the one at the farmhouse.

[lookout]

"Would you include the buckets in your description of "unnaturally placed"?  Why would buckets of blood stained clothing supposedly containing Sheila's menstrual stained underwear be in the kitchen when other more suitable rooms existed?  The raid team don't appear to have made reference to these buckets in their WS's?  The police soc photographer, DC David Bird, doesn't  appear to have photographed the buckets?  And the soc officer, DC David Hammersley, doesn't appear to have made any reference to the buckets in his trial transcript?

Please enlighten me with your pearls of wisdom 

That's because people were more concerned with Jeremys' lavish spending of the inheritance to care,or bother with little nonsenses such as clues and buckets.

[Caroline]

"Would you include the buckets in your description of "unnaturally placed"?  Why would buckets of blood stained clothing supposedly containing Sheila's menstrual stained underwear be in the kitchen when other more suitable rooms existed?  The raid team don't appear to have made reference to these buckets in their WS's?  The police soc photographer, DC David Bird, doesn't  appear to have photographed the buckets?  And the soc officer, DC David Hammersley, doesn't appear to have made any reference to the buckets in his trial transcript?

Please enlighten me with your pearls of wisdom 

Yes he did. Jeremy mentioned to me that he has a high res picture of the buckets in which you can see inside.

[lookout]

Buckets are empty.There is a pic somewhere of some form of clothing wallowing over the edge of a bucket.It's on here somewhere and looks like either a dark sock or a trouser leg.

[Caroline]

Buckets are empty.There is a pic somewhere of some form of clothing wallowing over the edge of a bucket.It's on here somewhere and looks like either a dark sock or a trouser leg.

I have never seen such a picture and how do you know they are empty? You can't see inside. Jeremy confirmed that these are the buckets in question and that he has a high res picture of them in which he can see inside. The picture you're talking about is the one that Campion suggested there was something in the doorway and that the blue cloth thing near the bin might be the blue socks seen on the bedroom floor next to Sheila.

[Adam]

If the kitchen was staged, that really points to Jeremy.

If not staged it shows there was a tremendous struggle for life, as the judge said.

Cannot see how it was staged myself.

Jeremy was not expecting the kitchen fight, so would have just left the kitchen, not having time to think. 

The most obvious stage is the bible. Which Jeremy would have planned in advance.

[lookout]

I have never seen such a picture and how do you know they are empty? You can't see inside. Jeremy confirmed that these are the buckets in question and that he has a high res picture of them in which he can see inside. The picture you're talking about is the one that Campion suggested there was something in the doorway and that the blue cloth thing near the bin might be the blue socks seen on the bedroom floor next to Sheila.

Caroline,the pic I was referring to was of a black ? garment hanging over the edge of a bucket,almost like a trouser leg.

[Jan]

I remember those gas lighters.A relative used a match,or a taper to light it. It was a hollow-coiled thing.
The tap was there for the attachment of the poker,via a fitting on the poker to the tap. It wasn't unusual to have these fittings with the old Agas'. Don't know about the one at the farmhouse.

would it extend away from the aga - if there was one as campion stated?

[JackiePreece]

If the kitchen was staged, that really points to Jeremy.

If not staged it shows there was a tremendous struggle for life, as the judge said.

Cannot see how it was staged myself.

Jeremy was not expecting the kitchen fight, so would have just left the kitchen, not having time to think. 

The most obvious stage is the bible. Which Jeremy would have planned in advance.

(1) How does this point to Jeremy if it was staged? The police or rather a policeman has already confessed that it was the raid team that created the mess ie knocked over the chairs and the sugar etc. So by blaming it on Jeremy is just a wild guess by you that is governed by your prejudicial mind.
 
(2) You are right, In all probability the scene was not staged.
 
(3) What the Judge had interpreted as a struggle for life may have been the damage created by the raid team. But as I said before neither I or you were there, so everything that you or I say about it is at best just a guess. But of course your guess is governed not by facts but by your prejudicial mind.
 
(4) This also applied to the Bible. This was probably moved by the police as they have already confessed that they moved the body of Sheila. Indeed one officer complained that the Bible had indeed been moved. If so this must have been the police as Jeremy was outside with other officers at the time.
 

[Caroline]

(1) How does this point to Jeremy if it was staged? The police or rather a policeman has already confessed that it was the raid team that created the mess ie knocked over the chairs and the sugar etc. So by blaming it on Jeremy is just a wild guess by you that is governed by your prejudicial mind.
 
(2) You are right, In all probability the scene was not staged.
 
(3) What the Judge had interpreted as a struggle for life may have been the damage created by the raid team. But as I said before neither I or you were there, so everything that you or I say about it is at best just a guess. But of course your guess is governed not by facts but by your prejudicial mind.
 
(4) This also applied to the Bible. This was probably moved by the police as they have already confessed that they moved the body of Sheila. Indeed one officer complained that the Bible had indeed been moved. If so this must have been the police as Jeremy was outside with other officers at the time.

As is yours.

[Caroline]

Caroline,the pic I was referring to was of a black ? garment hanging over the edge of a bucket,almost like a trouser leg.

The buckets pictured are the ones with the clothes soaking. I haven't seen any other bucket.