A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[Caroline]

If you believe that,you'll believe anything.

It was Neville who'd told police what type of guns which were in the farmhouse,not Jeremy. Which would mean that Neville spoke to the police ? Yes ?
Jeremy had already stated that were guns at the farmhouse,but he hadn't stated what type.

Jeremy could NOT have made both calls in 8 minutes and I defy anyone who can run over fields from WHF to Goldhanger in 8 minutes.

No.

[Jane]

If you believe that,you'll believe anything.

It was Neville who'd told police what type of guns which were in the farmhouse,not Jeremy. Which would mean that Neville spoke to the police ? Yes ?
Jeremy had already stated that were guns at the farmhouse,but he hadn't stated what type.

Jeremy could NOT have made both calls in 8 minutes and I defy anyone who can run over fields from WHF to Goldhanger in 8 minutes.

Lookout, could you please tell us when Nevill had a discussion with the police regarding the type of guns he kept at the farmhouse. Could you also tell us from where comes the suggestion that Jeremy phones the police twice, in an interval of 8 minutes and a walk back to Goldhanger.

[lookout]

Lookout, could you please tell us when Nevill had a discussion with the police regarding the type of guns he kept at the farmhouse. Could you also tell us from where comes the suggestion that Jeremy phones the police twice, in an interval of 8 minutes and a walk back to Goldhanger.

Neville had said that there were a number of shotguns and 410's,and then after Jeremy had rang,the message received was " passed to CD from the son of Mr Bamber ".
I didn't say that Jeremy had rang twice. That was the misconception that everyone got when they said that Jeremy had enough time to leg-it back to Goldhanger with his own call ? Is that what you mean ?

[Caroline]

Neville had said that there were a number of shotguns and 410's,and then after Jeremy had rang,the message received was " passed to CD from the son of Mr Bamber ".
I didn't say that Jeremy had rang twice. That was the misconception that everyone got when they said that Jeremy had enough time to leg-it back to Goldhanger with his own call ? Is that what you mean ?

Neville didn't say that Lookout, it was Jeremy.

[scipio_usmc]

It's actually in Scott Lomax's book where he states that while on a shooting holiday in Scotland,David Boutflour taught Sheila about guns,i.e,loading,firing,etc.
He,of course tried to deny that Sheila knew anything about guns,and even had the brass-neck to say he remembered a " woman " being with them in Scotland,but hadn't known it was Sheila !

He made the claim but offered no evidence at all to back his claims up.

You ignore the actual evidence in this case time after time after time and instead cite allegations supported by zero evidence which you misrepresent as being facts.

It makes it all the more absurd when you try telling others they are gullible and naive. You post bogus claim after bogus claim insisting they are true.  You don't get one thing right about the facts of this case.

You most recently claimed Nevill is the one who told West what kinds of guns were at the house.  Even Jeremy himself admits he was asked about such by West and told him what guns were there.  Not only did you post the whopper of a lie that Jeremy wasn't asked about the guns and that Nevill was you even suggested anyone who believes Jeremy was asked would believe anything.

You are the one who will believe anything.  You will believe anything favorable to Jeremy regardless of whether there is a shred of evidence to support the claim.  You proved that crystal clear when you said it makes no sense for Nevill to call Jeremy and then immediately call police after and spoke against such a call being received but once you understood such a call was favorable to Jeremy you changed to asserting Nevill made a call to police.  What evidence did you rely upon to change your mind?  None you just decided to believe it because if true it would help Jeremy.

Neither David Boutflour nor anyone else says he taught her to shoot.  In fact Boutflour said he wasn't sure whether she was even in Scotland he acknowledged she might have gone to Scotland during one of the vacations there.  He said if she did she certianly did not shoot.  That is a far cry from Lomax's claim she shot while there and it was David who taught her how to do so. 

It's bad enough you never read the statements on this site and instead prefer a filter.  You prefer to read the spin biased Jeremy supports place on the statements and evidence to actually reading it yourself.  Worse though, the truth has been discussed here many times and you responded to such posts so you are on notice already you are relying on bogus claims.  That never stops you from asserting them though because far from being intereste din th etruth you are biased to the core in favor of Jeremy and one of his staunchest supporters.  You will say anything favorable to him regardless of whether it is the truh or not.

[scipio_usmc]

I found that Scott Lomax was a very fair and thorough investigative journalist who has several books under his belt. When I spoke to him I found him to be a very upright and honest man.

His book was a biased propaganda piece. He thoroughly distorted a great number of things.  Part of what he distorted were the facts of the case.  He took liberty to revise the testimony of people to suit his interests.  What Lookout raised was a perfect example.  He isrepresented that she went shooting in Scotland and Boutflour taught her how to shoot while there thouh there was no testimony at all to that effect by anyone. Boutflour said she might have gone with them on one vacation but if she did so she certainly didn't shoot a gun and said nothing at all about teaching her how to use a gun.

He also grossly misrepresented on the legal issues of what proof was necessary to convict Bamber.  He distorted to try to pretend they failed to meet their burden of proving Jeremy entered the house.  He insisted they had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt which window or door he used to enter and leave through.  That is a whopper of a lie though.  he told this whopper because he decided to argue in his book that the prosecution failed to prove Jeremy guilty.  He tried to suggest Jeremy was innocent but had little fodder to work with, not even his distortions could help much in that regard, so spent most of the book arguing they didn't have enough evidence against Jeremy as opposed to establish Jeremy was innocent.

Only someone staunchly pro-Jeremy would find his work to be fair and balanced.

[scipio_usmc]

Neville had said that there were a number of shotguns and 410's,and then after Jeremy had rang,the message received was " passed to CD from the son of Mr Bamber ".
I didn't say that Jeremy had rang twice. That was the misconception that everyone got when they said that Jeremy had enough time to leg-it back to Goldhanger with his own call ? Is that what you mean ?

West says Jeremy told him about he guns, Bonnett wrote down on his log that West told him that Jeremy had told West about the guns and Jeremy himself admits it.  Your clai is nonsense liek all your claims. 

In the meantime who has suggested Jeremy called twice?  Jeremy was placed on hold.  He spoke to West before he was placed on hold and then after.  Such has not been represented by anyone as 2 separate calls.

You don't have a firm grasp on the facts of this case or the claims. 

 

[lookout]

 Jeremy told them about guns, only..Neville told them there were shotguns and 410's !!

You're so fking nasty,you can't even get your words out properly !!

[guest154]

Jeremy told them about guns, only..Neville told them there were shotguns and 410's !!

Wrong as usual.  Post the evidence for this? Even Bamber supporters won't believe this rubbish, Lookout.

[Jane]

Jeremy told them about guns, only..Neville told them there were shotguns and 410's !!

You're so fking nasty,you can't even get your words out properly !!

Lookout, WHEN did Neville tell them about shotguns and 410's and from where did this information come?

[lookout]

Wrong as usual.  Post the evidence for this? Even Bamber supporters won't believe this rubbish, Lookout.

That's actually from Bamber supporters !

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremy told them about guns, only..Neville told them there were shotguns and 410's !!

You're so fking nasty,you can't even get your words out properly !!

Jeremy admitted he told West about the shotguns as well as the rifles.  In turn West told Bonnett what Jeremy stated about his father having a collection of shotguns. 

Reader tried to use this as part of his deceptive effort to pretend that Bonnett's log was only asserting that Jeremy told West about the shotguns and that the part about Sheila going crazy with a rifle came from Nevill himself not from Jeremy.  You kept sticking your nose in that debate.  We not only discussed the sentence about the shotguns repeatedly but posted the snippet.

In fact the logs of both are available in the archives and were discussed extensivly and posted here and you responded to such posts.

Here is where West recorded that Jeremy told him about the shotguns and rifles:



Here is Bonnet's logs where he mentions how Jeremy told West about the collection of shotguns:



You keep saying I am so nasty.  You constantly call me a liar and distorter when the one distorting is in your mirror.  I can back up my assertions while you never can.  At best you can in some instances post that you are asserting a lie made up by someone else and suggest that as long as someone makes a claim it is ok to claim it is the truth.  The relaity is that you should check the veracity of the claim before asserting it.   

How can someone post here daily for years and yet not know the most basic facts of the case?  You have no idea what each side maintains even let alone any command of the documents posted on this site which form the foundation of the evidence in the case.

The fact you take part daily and yet don't even know the most basic things about this case is astonishing but at the same time your intentional ignorance explains why you are willing to believe Jeremy is innocent and such ignorance is in fact necessary in order for you to believe he is innocent.

If you faced the evidence that exists in this case you would have no way to say you believe he is innocent. Since you can't refute the evidence you just won't read the evidence, pretend it doesn't exist and maintain a warped alternate reality.

If you were new to the case it would be one thing.  Then not knowing what Jeremy told West and what wa srecorded on the logs could be an credible excuse.  But not to be here for years commenting on posts that discuss such matters.  There is no way to be unaware of the log contents and arguments in such case. 

[lookout]

Lookout, WHEN did Neville tell them about shotguns and 410's and from where did this information come?

For what it's worth,it's documented evidence on the " horror of horrors "  Official Web Site,which I'd believe over this one.

[Caroline]

For what it's worth,it's documented evidence on the " horror of horrors "  Official Web Site,which I'd believe over this one.

Well, that's your prerogative Lookout but it wasn't Neville who gave the description of the guns, it was Jeremy.

[scipio_usmc]

For what it's worth,it's documented evidence on the " horror of horrors "  Official Web Site,which I'd believe over this one.

Translation:

"I don't give a crap what Jeremy admitted in his statemen, what West and Bonnett told one another, wrote in their logs, wrote in their notes, wrote in their statements or what anyone testified to in court.

I choose to disregard anything that doesn't support what I want to pretend happened and want to pretend is the truth and instead will believe what I feel like regardless of what the evidence actually demonstrates.

Thus no matter how much evidence is posted here to prove my claims to be wrong I will desregard same and will not change my stances"