A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[Jane]

Is that ALL you're here for Adam. To be "commented on"? My!! HOW big an ego is that?

It would be GROSSLY unfair if I failed to say that, IMO, you HAVE made some excellent points but, again, and only in my opinion, you probably, HAVE done, and still do, MORE to prevent posters changing their minds from innocent to guilty, than anyone else. You throw out accusations about people focusing on you but you appear to relish the attention.   

You're right because if I said it had ANYTHING to do with you, it would make me a liar.

Adam, I think the above outlines what I should have clarified in my post.

[Alias]

People have gone from innocent to guilty since I joined. Susan saying my posts and sources helped convince her.

There is no way Caroline, Alias and April will admit that my posts have convinced them to change. Caroline giving a strange reason about a wallet and a letter. April has not given a reason. Alias saying she is now unsure.

Although I have received several PM's from people in the guilty camp saying they agree with my posts. And people on Red have also praised me.

Grahame admittted defeat and left. Before returning. Probably due to retirement boredom.

Even Reader has resorted to proving Jeremy is innocent by saying his own WS is wrong !

Lookout, Jackie and Jansus are refusing to budge.

Adam, you keep this up! Read back, I have always said I am on the fence, I am not sure Sheila did it, I am not sure Jeremy did it (alone).
I have been on this board for years before you came here and have always said I am not sure. Don´t take credit where there is none to take. This is just silly, Adam!

[Jan]

People have gone from innocent to guilty since I joined. Susan saying my posts and sources helped convince her.

There is no way Caroline, Alias and April will admit that my posts have convinced them to change. Caroline giving a strange reason about a wallet and a letter. April has not given a reason. Alias saying she is now unsure.

Although I have received several PM's from people in the guilty camp saying they agree with my posts. And people on Red have also praised me.

Grahame admittted defeat and left. Before returning. Probably due to retirement boredom.

Even Reader has resorted to proving Jeremy is innocent by saying his own WS is wrong !

Lookout, Jackie and Jansus are refusing to budge.

Caroline is right - quite often your posts make me even more sure he is innocent.

When I see something that convinces me I will change my mind -I have absolutely NO personal agenda whatsoever.

I have just as yet seen nothing that has not been disputed by one expert or another.

I am not wining or being deceiptful I am just being honest.

I do not blindly accept some of the theories on here because I know there have been lies told - but I have also seen the most incredible assumptions by people who believe he is guilty as well.

[Reader]

. . . we don't know that they weren't alerted to potential danger?

Don't we? If you were told of potential danger, would you ignore that danger and proceed as though some minor domestic incident had been reported?

[scipio_usmc]

And Scipio is here purely and simply to win the propaganda war ! He thinks ! His aim is to deliberately mislead.Makes plenty of assertions,but no arguments to back them up.

I don't rely on propaganda I rely on facts and evidence.  You are the one relying on propaganda because the facts are against Jeremy and thus are of no interest to you. 

I have laid out the evidence agains tJerey many times it is evidence so potent tha the wa socnvicted and his conviction upheld repeatedly. You have nothing at all to refute that evidence you jus tchildishly say you don't care you refuse to believe it. 

All you do is repeatedly admit you live in denial nothing more.

[Reader]

Fact: Jeremy stated he telephoned Julie at about 3:25am. Fact: Julie initially stated she received his call at about 3:30am. Fact: you prefer to believe someone who claimed they saw just one digit of the time! Fact: Jeremy is innocent and you know it.

[scipio_usmc]

Fact: Jeremy stated he telephoned Julie at about 3:25am. Fact: Julie initially stated she received his call at about 3:30am. Fact: you prefer to believe someone who claimed they saw just one digit of the time! Fact: Jeremy is innocent and you know it.

Fact: Julie later said she wa ssure the time was actually earlier. 

Fact Julie admitted her first statement was deceptive to help Jeremy avoid liability.

Fact: The roomates say they looked at their clocks while Julie didn't.

Fact: Jeremy claims he called police before her but he lied he called her before police though he had no reaosn to do so and if he had actually received an emeregency call from Nevill he would have either rushed over or diaed 999.

[Reader]

Fact: Julie later said she was sure the time was actually earlier.

So she contradicted herself, proving she lied.

Fact Julie admitted her first statement was deceptive to help Jeremy avoid liability.

So she certainly lied, whereas you merely suspect that Jeremy lied.

Fact: The roommates say they looked at their clocks while Julie didn't.

But they claimed different times, and you crazily put most faith in the one who claimed to have seen only one digit of the time!

Fact: Jeremy claims he called police before her.

He specifically said when interviewed that he called Julie before calling the police. Ds Jones then badgered him into offering the opposite order by making false claims that he'd given the opposite order originally.

he called her before police though he had no reason to do so

He said he called her at about 3:25, which was before he called the police. No lie there.

[scipio_usmc]

So she contradicted herself, proving she lied.
So she certainly lied, whereas you merely suspect that Jeremy lied.
But they claimed different times, and you crazily put most faith in the one who claimed to have seen only one digit of the time!
He said he called her at about 3:25, which was before he called the police. No lie there.

The digit seen was the hour which was 2AM. Dale said 3AM Susan said 3:15 but her clock was 10 minutes fast.  So that means either they were all wrong and it was before 3AM or the clock was  afew minutes slow and it was close to 3 on the clock.

Jeremy clearly was on the phone with west at 3:25 so lied about the call to Julie being at that time.

He assumed he called police earlier than he remembered so made up 3:25 thinking it would be after he called police.




 

[Mr. Gee]

The digit seen was the hour which was 2AM. Dale said 3AM Susan said 3:15 but her clock was 10 minutes fast.  So that means either they were all wrong and it was before 3AM or the clock was  afew minutes slow and it was close to 3 on the clock.

Jeremy clearly was on the phone with west at 3:25 so lied about the call to Julie being at that time.

He assumed he called police earlier than he remembered so made up 3:25 thinking it would be after he called police.

Remember Dale was not the one who woke her up on the earlier call. She said he woke her up on the 5am call.

[Adam]

If Reader is saying Jeremy phoned the police at 3.25am. Then he is disputing the new direction Bamber's 'campaign for freedom' is going.

Which is saying Neville called the police at 3.26am and Jeremy called them at 3.36am. 

It may not be a bad idea for Reader to do this. It is impossible for either of them to phone the police at 3.36am. Thread already created.

[lookout]

I don't rely on propaganda I rely on facts and evidence.  You are the one relying on propaganda because the facts are against Jeremy and thus are of no interest to you. 

I have laid out the evidence agains tJerey many times it is evidence so potent tha the wa socnvicted and his conviction upheld repeatedly. You have nothing at all to refute that evidence you jus tchildishly say you don't care you refuse to believe it. 

All you do is repeatedly admit you live in denial nothing more.

NOBODY can rely on facts unless they were present at the scene of the crime,and even then facts can be changed,so don't tell me about your facts and evidence.What evidence anyway ? Is it concrete ? Because it's the first I've heard if it is !

All you do is repeat your spin and try to blind everyone with science,but guess what ? It doesn't work with me and that's why you're constantly pulling whatever I say,to pieces because it doesn't fit your own agenda.

It's YOU who's in denial,not me.Why should it bother you what I post ? Because your posts certainly don't bother me-----------I don't read them,apart from the childish abuse that you constantly dish out !!
Then that would only encourage me MORE to remain with him being innocent. I would go as far as to say that with someone like you arguing the toss and if I happened to think on the lines of guilt,I'd say innocent just to be bloody-minded. Your sort get on my wick !!

[scipio_usmc]

NOBODY can rely on facts unless they were present at the scene of the crime,and even then facts can be changed,so don't tell me about your facts and evidence.What evidence anyway ? Is it concrete ? Because it's the first I've heard if it is !

All you do is repeat your spin and try to blind everyone with science,but guess what ? It doesn't work with me and that's why you're constantly pulling whatever I say,to pieces because it doesn't fit your own agenda.

It's YOU who's in denial,not me.Why should it bother you what I post ? Because your posts certainly don't bother me-----------I don't read them,apart from the childish abuse that you constantly dish out !!
Then that would only encourage me MORE to remain with him being innocent. I would go as far as to say that with someone like you arguing the toss and if I happened to think on the lines of guilt,I'd say innocent just to be bloody-minded. Your sort get on my wick !!

I don't need to spin the facts and evidence are on my side.  I followed the facts and evidence in order to make up my mind of who committed the crimes.

In contrast you didn't review any of the evidence you just decided that you will believe Jeremy is innocent no matter what and that Sheila did it.  You already said many times you will never believe a non-insane person would commit the murders Sheila had to do it while in a crazy rage.  You also say you will never believe he would make the errors attributed to him as if he were infallible and that there was no motive because he would only have had to shared the land property 50/50 he would have owned 60% of everything else.  You say that there is no way he would have killed Sheila and the twins for a lousy 40% and 50% of the land property.  But all that amounts to is you living in denial when you say ther ei sno way he would make mistakes or kill for money.  Your attempt to say there is nothing he could have gained fail miserably.

You don't want to believe he is guilty so you insist either Sheila did it or June or Nevill did it.What evidence do you have that any of them could have committed suicide let alone killed anyone else?  None at all. That is the big problem it is impossible for any of them to have committed suicide they were murdered.  You ignore substantial evidence tha tproves they coudl not have killed themselves and assert one of the killed everyone else and then committed suicide becuase you don't want to believe Jeremy did it and are thus willing to ignore the evidence.

You live in denial the same way someone asserting the Earth is flat would be living in denial.  He too could say he rejects photos of the Earth from space showing it to be spherical, evidence one can sail around the Earth and fly around the Earth, orbit around the Earth and so forth.  His denials only mean he is too biased to face the truth nothing more.  That is exactly what you are do in this case.

You ignore that sane people commit murder all the time

[Jan]

Fact: Julie later said she wa ssure the time was actually earlier. 

Fact Julie admitted her first statement was deceptive to help Jeremy avoid liability. FACT she could have been telling lies in the second statement in order to help the police with their noble cause.
she is the only one who knows the truth
Fact: The roomates say they looked at their clocks while Julie didn't. - So ? she had plenty of time to collude with them by September?Anyway they all said different times - so no help there.

Fact: Jeremy claims he called police before her but he lied he called her before police though he had no reaosn to do so and if he had actually received an emeregency call from Nevill he would have either rushed over or diaed 999. - He did not consider it an emergency - he had no idea what was about to happen personally I think he may have phoned Julie inbetween calls and then thought it made him look bad - if he was going to set up the proper Siege situation to stop the police going in he could have said she had fired a shot - but as he had not they culd have just gone over seen it was all quiet and knocked on the door

[lookout]

I don't need to spin the facts and evidence are on my side.  I followed the facts and evidence in order to make up my mind of who committed the crimes.

In contrast you didn't review any of the evidence you just decided that you will believe Jeremy is innocent no matter what and that Sheila did it.  You already said many times you will never believe a non-insane person would commit the murders Sheila had to do it while in a crazy rage.  You also say you will never believe he would make the errors attributed to him as if he were infallible and that there was no motive because he would only have had to shared the land property 50/50 he would have owned 60% of everything else.  You say that there is no way he would have killed Sheila and the twins for a lousy 40% and 50% of the land property.  But all that amounts to is you living in denial when you say ther ei sno way he would make mistakes or kill for money.  Your attempt to say there is nothing he could have gained fail miserably.

You don't want to believe he is guilty so you insist either Sheila did it or June or Nevill did it.What evidence do you have that any of them could have committed suicide let alone killed anyone else?  None at all. That is the big problem it is impossible for any of them to have committed suicide they were murdered.  You ignore substantial evidence tha tproves they coudl not have killed themselves and assert one of the killed everyone else and then committed suicide becuase you don't want to believe Jeremy did it and are thus willing to ignore the evidence.

You live in denial the same way someone asserting the Earth is flat would be living in denial.  He too could say he rejects photos of the Earth from space showing it to be spherical, evidence one can sail around the Earth and fly around the Earth, orbit around the Earth and so forth.  His denials only mean he is too biased to face the truth nothing more.  That is exactly what you are do in this case.

You ignore that sane people commit murder all the time

I DON'T ignore the fact that sane people don't kill. Sheila WASN'T insane,in fact she was very SANE !!
Sane or insane,ANY person can kill. Stop making things up that I'd said when I didn't !

You've got NO facts whatsoever !

I've never been in denial. It's not my style.

There is NO evidence that Jeremy killed anyone. You talk in riddles.