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« Reply #105 on: September 10, 2014, 09:00:PM »
The dodgy evidence has been dished out many a time but you're that full of your own importance to notice what others post.

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« Reply #106 on: September 10, 2014, 09:53:PM »
The dodgy evidence has been dished out many a time but you're that full of your own importance to notice what others post.

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Your positions on this case all stem from myths. You have nothing at all to suggest the evidence that convicted Jeremy to be dodgy you rely on myths for that.  When all those myths are shed you have a very simplistic position- that Jeremy woul dnot have murdered his family and you refuse to face he did.  That is all you have at the end of the day informing your opinion.
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« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2014, 10:59:PM »
Is that so? Most of the guilters convince themselves of Jeremy's guilt from hearsay,incomplete logs and statements and statements from those that had a vested interested in Jeremy being convicted.

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« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2014, 11:23:PM »
Is that so? Most of the guilters convince themselves of Jeremy's guilt from hearsay,incomplete logs and statements and statements from those that had a vested interested in Jeremy being convicted.

What hearsay?  What evidence are the logs supposed to present? 

I have laide out the evidence used to convict him many times.  No defenders have presented any evidence to refute such and instead just spout myths and how Jeremy was a great guy who would never do a such a thing.  At the end of the day there is no contest at all and that seems to explain why Jeremy is sitting where he is.

Had Sheila loaded the gun she would have had elevated lead on her hands.  Had she fired the gun she would have had GSR on her hands and on her clothing.  Many of the shots were close enough that the killer would have had high velocity impact spatter on his/her clothing and medium velocity spatter from beating Nevill.  The killer also would have scratched/cut his/her hand when the rifle stock broke unless the killer was wearing gloves.  The killer also would have been stepping on broken glass and crockery hence injured his/her feet if barefoot.  Sheila had none of these things.  Nor did she have any reason to wear gloves, wash and change her clothes though she would not have been able to get rid of her bloody clothing anyway it would have to have been at WHF still or to heal her injuries.  So it is quite apparent she had not committed the murders. Nor could she have shot herself without getting any GSR on her gown and worse yet after she was dead she could not have removed the moderator and put it away, walked back upstairs lied down and put the gun on her body. So it is apparent she can't have killed herself.

Since she didn't do it that means the alleged phone call from Nevill to Jeremy was made up.  Further evidence it was made up and just an effort to frame Sheila is:

1) Nevill making such a call makes no sense
2) The time Jeremy attributes to Nevill's call is after the roomates say he called Julie
3) His other bogus efforts to frame Sheila including the tale about leaving the gun and bullets in the kitchen and proof the bullets were staged because there were too many left for that to have been the supply used to commit the murders
4) Jeremy's actions not being in accordance with someone who received the call he claims to have received from Nevill
5) Testimony from Julie that he told her in advance that he would be pretending he got a call from Nevill
 
That leads to Julie's overall testimony that Jeremy was planning this for a long time and admission he was behind it.

Sheila clearly didn't do it so who did?  Since Sheila didn't do it and there was no call from Nevill as claimed how coudl Jeremy known about the murders and notify police?  He only way is if he was the killer and the only reason he would frame Sheila was if he was the killer.

That is the evidence upon which Jeremy was convicted.  naturally there are other detials like Jeremy hiding the kitchen phone and replacing it with the bedroom phone but the main thrust is the above.   
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« Reply #109 on: September 11, 2014, 09:17:AM »
Your positions on this case all stem from myths. You have nothing at all to suggest the evidence that convicted Jeremy to be dodgy you rely on myths for that.  When all those myths are shed you have a very simplistic position- that Jeremy woul dnot have murdered his family and you refuse to face he did.  That is all you have at the end of the day informing your opinion.





How would you like it if I said that ALL your posts were myths ? They're as much myths as mine because we WEREN'T there when it happened.
You are so carried away with the whole thing,I find it unbelieveable. Does it matter so much to you ?

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« Reply #110 on: September 11, 2014, 03:01:PM »
How would you like it if I said that ALL your posts were myths ? They're as much myths as mine because we WEREN'T there when it happened.
You are so carried away with the whole thing,I find it unbelieveable. Does it matter so much to you ?

I am just being honest.  You can't establish my positions as myths because they aren't.  If it can be established I posted myths then I have no problem with it being stated and would even acknowledge it and change my position.  A big myth I was fooled into believing was that there was that the telephone company had evidence of a call from WHF to Goldhanger.  When people here demonstrated that was not true I stopped repeating such myth and acknowledged it was false. What is myth in the recounting of evidence I provided above?  Is it a myth there were 30 bullets found in the kitchen?  Is it a myth Jeremy claim he left a box of full or near full ammo where such bullets were found?  Is it a myth 25 shots were fired Is it a myth... 

The positions you usually set forth such as Sheila's body being moved from the kitchen, Nevill phoning police, police being in contact with Sheila and so forth are all myths. You have posted many more.  Instead of paying attention to the debates over evidence here you seem to only pay attention to Mike's crazy claims and other wild allegations and to accept all of them blindly.  You yourself spoke out against Nevill calling and said it made no sense but backtracked just because such claim would help Jeremy and you will believe anything that helps Jeremy regardless of a lack of support for the claims. 

What should I do not call them myths and pretend they are fact simply because you don't want to be known as advancing myths? 

All you have to do is to stop advancing such myths if you don't want to be associated with myths. 
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« Reply #111 on: September 11, 2014, 04:31:PM »
 Ditto.!

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« Reply #112 on: September 13, 2014, 02:40:AM »
how many members have actully voted and what diffrence does it make anyway.

That is a good question about any poll. I only voted now, and my vote was  not from the heart! I lied.

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« Reply #113 on: September 13, 2014, 02:57:AM »
What hearsay?  What evidence are the logs supposed to present? 

I have laide out the evidence used to convict him many times.  No defenders have presented any evidence to refute such and instead just spout myths and how Jeremy was a great guy who would never do a such a thing.  At the end of the day there is no contest at all and that seems to explain why Jeremy is sitting where he is.

Had Sheila loaded the gun she would have had elevated lead on her hands.  Had she fired the gun she would have had GSR on her hands and on her clothing.  Many of the shots were close enough that the killer would have had high velocity impact spatter on his/her clothing and medium velocity spatter from beating Nevill.  The killer also would have scratched/cut his/her hand when the rifle stock broke unless the killer was wearing gloves.  The killer also would have been stepping on broken glass and crockery hence injured his/her feet if barefoot.  Sheila had none of these things.  Nor did she have any reason to wear gloves, wash and change her clothes though she would not have been able to get rid of her bloody clothing anyway it would have to have been at WHF still or to heal her injuries.  So it is quite apparent she had not committed the murders. Nor could she have shot herself without getting any GSR on her gown and worse yet after she was dead she could not have removed the moderator and put it away, walked back upstairs lied down and put the gun on her body. So it is apparent she can't have killed herself.

Since she didn't do it that means the alleged phone call from Nevill to Jeremy was made up.  Further evidence it was made up and just an effort to frame Sheila is:

1) Nevill making such a call makes no sense
2) The time Jeremy attributes to Nevill's call is after the roomates say he called Julie
3) His other bogus efforts to frame Sheila including the tale about leaving the gun and bullets in the kitchen and proof the bullets were staged because there were too many left for that to have been the supply used to commit the murders
4) Jeremy's actions not being in accordance with someone who received the call he claims to have received from Nevill
5) Testimony from Julie that he told her in advance that he would be pretending he got a call from Nevill
 
That leads to Julie's overall testimony that Jeremy was planning this for a long time and admission he was behind it.

Sheila clearly didn't do it so who did?  Since Sheila didn't do it and there was no call from Nevill as claimed how coudl Jeremy known about the murders and notify police?  He only way is if he was the killer and the only reason he would frame Sheila was if he was the killer.

That is the evidence upon which Jeremy was convicted.  naturally there are other detials like Jeremy hiding the kitchen phone and replacing it with the bedroom phone but the main thrust is the above.

My two problems: where was Sheila at while everyone else was being killed, and the blood trails on her arm. Those two things have not been explained to me yet. It does look as if those blood streams happened at different times - right? And how did those blood streams (different in colour) appear on Sheila´s arm?

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« Reply #114 on: September 13, 2014, 02:59:AM »
I am expecting to be called an idiot and lowlife any minute now!

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« Reply #115 on: September 13, 2014, 08:09:AM »
My two problems: where was Sheila at while everyone else was being killed, and the blood trails on her arm. Those two things have not been explained to me yet. It does look as if those blood streams happened at different times - right? And how did those blood streams (different in colour) appear on Sheila´s arm?



There have already been lots of threads on what Sheila could have been doing. 

When Jeremy was creeping upstairs, shooting an asleep June, leaving Nicholas and Daniel to remain asleep, and shooting a partially awake Neville by the bed.  All with a silencer on. Before a brief fight in another part of WHF.

She was probably also sleeping as there is no reason she should wake. Then lead or carried to the main bedroom.

Although there is a chance she woke, went into her parents bedroom and then retreated into the far corner when seeing a gun man in the dark.
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« Reply #116 on: September 13, 2014, 08:49:AM »
My two problems: where was Sheila at while everyone else was being killed, and the blood trails on her arm. Those two things have not been explained to me yet. It does look as if those blood streams happened at different times - right? And how did those blood streams (different in colour) appear on Sheila´s arm?



If you look closely enough and pay attention to detail, you must surely realise that not all the blood on Sheila's arm is smudged, some of it is merely drip evidence - now how could dripped blood have got onto her arm without smudging, if she was laid down when allegedly shot?

There is also clear evidence upon her nightdress (not shown) in the form of spattered blood evidence that she was or must have been stood upright when she was originally shot, all the blood experts have to do is identify microscopically the pattern of expiated blood on the nightdress to establish the direction the blood fell onto the nightdress, to confirm the FACT that Sheila was upright at the time this type of blood contaminated her nightdress, and compare this with the direction that secondary bloodstaining ran horizontally away from the fatal chin shot, and it becomes possible to establish that Sheila was upright at the time of the original shot, but laid out flat with her head turned to one side at the time she was killed...
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« Reply #117 on: September 13, 2014, 09:25:AM »
Mike

can you have a quick look at the thread what exhibits were destroyed in 1996

I thought you posted a list on here recently ?
 also there are some questions about the pyjama jacket ?

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« Reply #118 on: September 13, 2014, 09:32:AM »
Was there any blood on Sheilas' left arm ? I forget,but don't remember seeing any.

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« Reply #119 on: September 13, 2014, 11:00:AM »
Was there any blood on Sheilas' left arm ? I forget,but don't remember seeing any.

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