A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll

[scipio_usmc]

how many members have actully voted and what diffrence does it make anyway.

The reasoning of posters matter not the actual vote and what is clear is that there are no sound arguments at all put forth to suggest a call made by Nevill to police.  The arguments and evidence put forth by those saying the call never happened is so strong that it can't be challenged competently.

The fact that some people don't care and still assert such anyway without any basis to believe it demonstrates that some are so biased they are willing to ignore evidence and reality.  People being so biased doesn't really do anything so far as helping Jeremy because the only thing that could help Jeremy is competent arguments and evidence not made up nonsense.

[JackiePreece]

Exactly Nugs! Jackie is trying to be sarcastic towards a comment I made about thousands of people thinking Jeremy guilty. However, obviously I was talking about in the population as a whole, not in respect to the forum. She didn't really think it through though and it's kind of back fired - but she's no doubt used to that! 

Really as you know there are not even one thousand people believe JB to be guilty
I would say that comment backfired on you

[Reader]

I am still trying to figure out Reader's calculation . . .

It's straightforward: Yes(2) + Undecided(3) = 5 out of 16 votes in total.

[scipio_usmc]

Caroline I am still trying to figure out Reader's calculation in my eyes the NO vote is ahead.  Wonder if the same will happen in Scotland

No vote doesn't change the status quo.  The status quo is that there was no call from Nevill. To be honest a vote of yes doesn't change the status quo either, what would change the statuts quo is evidence and rational argument establishing a call.  No one has been able to put forth any such evidence or argument though. Not trying to put anything forth and not being able to are 2 sides of the same coin.

Lookout seems to have changed to saying it didn't happen so that could even be another yes vote gone. My sense is that only Reader, Mike and Jackie might be the only 3 here who would keep trying to maintain this even after push comes to shove.

[Adam]

Really as you know there are not even one thousand people believe JB to be guilty
I would say that comment backfired on you

There are millions of people that think Jeremy is guilty.

Even loyal supporters on what used to be this pro Jeremy forum, have changed their minds after looking at the evidence in more detail.

[ngb1066]

There are millions of people that think Jeremy is guilty.

I doubt that, but even if there are, so what?  There were millions who thought the Birmingham 6 were guilty, but they were all wrong.

[nugnug]

I doubt that, but even if there are, so what?  There were millions who thought the Birmingham 6 were guilty, but they were all wrong.

thats somes it up perfectly.

[Caroline]

Really as you know there are not even one thousand people believe JB to be guilty
I would say that comment backfired on you

What? What a ridiculous statement  So, you're saying that within the whole population of the UK, less than a thousand people think he's guilty?

[lookout]

No vote doesn't change the status quo.  The status quo is that there was no call from Nevill. To be honest a vote of yes doesn't change the status quo either, what would change the statuts quo is evidence and rational argument establishing a call.  No one has been able to put forth any such evidence or argument though. Not trying to put anything forth and not being able to are 2 sides of the same coin.

Lookout seems to have changed to saying it didn't happen so that could even be another yes vote gone. My sense is that only Reader, Mike and Jackie might be the only 3 here who would keep trying to maintain this even after push comes to shove.

Excuse me,stop putting words in my mouth.Lookout remains on the YES side.

[scipio_usmc]

Excuse me,stop putting words in my mouth.Lookout remains on the YES side.

I didn't put words in your mouth.  You are the one who said you didn't believe it happened and that it makes no difference that it didn't happen.  You seem unable to make up your mind.

But again I don't care about opinions I care about the reaosning relied upon and yours was extremely weak.  You said that because Jeremy claims he tried to phone the house and the line was busy that means Nevill was on the phone with police.  There is no evidence Jeremy actually called as claimed but the phone was off the hook so if he had that explains why he would get a busy signal.  Getting a busy signal doesn't prove a call from Nevill to police.

You, yourself said why would Nevill phone police as well as Jeremy. 

SO hearing what made you change your mind yet again should be interesting... 

[lookout]

I didn't put words in your mouth.  You are the one who said you didn't believe it happened and that it makes no difference that it didn't happen.  You seem unable to make up your mind.

But again I don't care about opinions I care about the reaosning relied upon and yours was extremely weak.  You said that because Jeremy claims he tried to phone the house and the line was busy that means Nevill was on the phone with police.  There is no evidence Jeremy actually called as claimed but the phone was off the hook so if he had that explains why he would get a busy signal.  Getting a busy signal doesn't prove a call from Nevill to police.

You, yourself said why would Nevill phone police as well as Jeremy. 

SO hearing what made you change your mind yet again should be interesting...

I'd said whether the call was made or not,what's the big deal ? I'll err on the side of caution anyway.

[scipio_usmc]

I'd said whether the call was made or not,what's the big deal ? I'll err on the side of caution anyway.

Erring on the side of cation is that there was no call from Nevill.  Thie claim was simply made up by a Jeremy supporter out of thin air with no evidence to support it.

[tyler]

Maybe 'thousands' of people (those who have ever heard of Bamber) ASSUME he is guilty because of where he is. I would imagine many wouldn't care enough either way,and others wouldn't think to question our so called justice system. Whether innocent or guilty,that he was imo convicted on corrupt evidence,makes him very a MOJ as far as I'm concerned.

[lookout]

Erring on the side of cation is that there was no call from Nevill.  Thie claim was simply made up by a Jeremy supporter out of thin air with no evidence to support it.

Not necessarily-------------cautiously optimistic.

[scipio_usmc]

Maybe 'thousands' of people (those who have ever heard of Bamber) ASSUME he is guilty because of where he is. I would imagine many wouldn't care enough either way,and others wouldn't think to question our so called justice system. Whether innocent or guilty,that he was imo convicted on corrupt evidence,makes him very a MOJ as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that you an other supporters keep saying it is your opinion that the evidence was corrupt but are unable to demonstrate that to be the case and more oftne than not when we try to figure out the rationale upon which these opinions rest is it myths.  The goal of this threat is to try to get rid of one of those mysths to try to get supporters to explain their basis for their opinions of his innocent on something else.