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Offline scipio_usmc

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Re: Grief
« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2014, 09:23:PM »
Alias he said he was in a hurry as the last trailer needed bringing back to the farm and he was doing it yet he had the time to load the rifle on the pretext of shooting rabbits but came in shortly after and said they had disappeared. According to AE;s statement him and Brett were loading the van with antiques from WHF to sell in London.

His timing of when he left is suspect.  He initially said a quarter after 10 is when he finished and left.  Later it moved to 9:30 maybe he left earlier still. Nevill had to finish his work and that is likely why Nevill was ticked off when he spoke to Barbara Wilson.

During his interrogation he didn't want to answer questions about why he didn't finish his work and Nevill had to do it. That would have likely revealed he left sooner than he wanted to admit.
   
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« Reply #76 on: September 03, 2014, 09:24:PM »
He didn't shoot anything, he didn't even fire the gun.  There is no evidence he loaded the gun and went outside with it as he claimed.  He couldn't just say I took the gun out and loaded it to play with it and left it in the kitchen for Sheila to find.  So he made up the story about the rabbits as away to pretend the gun was there and even extra ammo for her pleasure.

He didn't try to wipe down the shell casings though no prints ended up being found on them.  In contrast one of his prints ended up being on the weapon. He told Julie a glove came off during the struggle with Nevill and therefore a print could have ended up on the gun.  out of such concern could be why he made up the rabbit tale though he also wanted to make up an excuse to leave the gun out anyway because SHeial would not have been likely to go look for the gun herself.

That would be a lame story to make up. Nevill, Sheila or June could have moved the gun to a safer place. That would be the logical assumption with children in the house.

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« Reply #77 on: September 03, 2014, 09:24:PM »
I never believed that Jeremy went outside to shoot rabbits.
I think perhaps the discussion inside was embarrassing or unpleasant for him, so he grabbed the gun and went outside on the pretence of hearing rabbits. Just needed an excuse to go outside.
Did he claim to go out before or after he ate?

That is exactly what I think happened

It sounded like the atmosphere must have been very bad from when Sheila arrived at the farm
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Re: Grief
« Reply #78 on: September 03, 2014, 09:28:PM »
That would be a lame story to make up. Nevill, Sheila or June could have moved the gun to a safer place. That would be the logical assumption with children in the house.

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Re: Grief
« Reply #79 on: September 03, 2014, 09:31:PM »
That would be a lame story to make up. Nevill, Sheila or June could have moved the gun to a safer place. That would be the logical assumption with children in the house.

and he wouldn't need to explain it all he would have to do is wipe the gun.

and then no fingerprint would be found.
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« Reply #80 on: September 03, 2014, 09:32:PM »
That would be a lame story to make up. Nevill, Sheila or June could have moved the gun to a safer place. That would be the logical assumption with children in the house.

He had to draw attention to the fact that there was a weapon to hand and that ammunition was readily available.
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« Reply #81 on: September 03, 2014, 09:34:PM »
and he wouldn't need to explain it all he would have to do is wipe the gun.

and then no fingerprint would be found.

The police would have been suspicious immediately if he had done that. Sheila couldn't have wiped it, she was dead and as she had just used the gun to shoot 5 people, her prints had to be on it.
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« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2014, 09:35:PM »
He had to draw attention to the fact that there was a weapon to hand and that ammunition was readily available.

Wouldn´t that be a self given in a house with multiple firearms and no lockable gun storage?

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« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2014, 09:36:PM »
Alias not really as Jeremy Bamber knew the rifle was still out when he arrived back at the farm it had not been put away by his parents :'(

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Re: Grief
« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2014, 09:37:PM »
The police would have been suspicious immediately if he had done that. Sheila couldn't have wiped it, she was dead and as she had just used the gun to shoot 5 people, her prints had to be on it.

he could of wiped it before he put it in her hand then only her prints would be on it.

and that would of been even stronger evedence she had done it.
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Re: Grief
« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2014, 09:38:PM »
I'd like to know where,or what Sheila was doing when he was allegedly blasting the rest of the family,considering that it would have appeared she was the last to die.

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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2014, 09:38:PM »
Alias not really as Jeremy Bamber knew the rifle was still out when he arrived back at the farm it had not been put away by his parents :'(

We don´t know that, susan.
It could (and should!) have been put away by one of the three grown ups before they went to bed.

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Re: Grief
« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2014, 09:39:PM »
That would be a lame story to make up. Nevill, Sheila or June could have moved the gun to a safer place. That would be the logical assumption with children in the house.

Which is a nother reason most don't believe it.  The story has way too many holes.
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« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2014, 09:42:PM »
Wouldn´t that be a self given in a house with multiple firearms and no lockable gun storage?

I imagine although there were guns in the house, they weren't loaded but the rifle (being left out) is to hand and the magazine is next to it - full and ready to use. Convenient.
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Re: Grief
« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2014, 09:45:PM »
Alias the thing is Scipio could be right maybe Jeremy made the story up about the rabbits and the rifle nobody left to say one way or another only he really knows the truth.