Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?

[guest7363]

It wouldn't matter how long Jeremy was on the phone because Bonnet recorded a time of 03:26, West obviously called Bonnet 'after' Jeremy had called and so Jeremy HAD to call at least four or five minutes before that. The time is clearly written on Bonnet's log, it also indicates that he took the call from CD1990, which was West's call number and NOT Neville Bamber. It is stretching the bounds of reality to suggest that Bonnet got the time wrong too and basically this kicks the idea that Neville called - straight out of the ball park (to coin an Americanism).

Brilliant my dear Watson?

[maggie]

Hi Maggie, the timings just don't match and that claim that a car was already on the way to the scene 'before' Jeremy' called is also false because we know Jeremy MUST have called a lot earlier than 03:36am. I think West must have been a bit illiterate and maybe that's why more than one copy of his log exists, he just kept spelling things wrong and didn't even manage to get the time right. I think West is the one who was reprimanded because his testimony was a bit of a shambles.

You could be right, so much of the police stuff seems to be such a jumble, I do think myself that claiming it proved Nevill called the police is clutching at straws.

[Caroline]

Brilliant my dear Watson?

Why thank you Justice! 

[susan]

Hello Justice how ya doing well I hope.  Caroline puts up some brilliant posts she is the main reason I changed my stance and harters of course .

[scipio_usmc]

It wouldn't matter how long Jeremy was on the phone because Bonnet recorded a time of 03:26, West obviously called Bonnet 'after' Jeremy had called and so Jeremy HAD to call at least four or five minutes before that. The time is clearly written on Bonnet's log, it also indicates that he took the call from CD1990, which was West's call number and NOT Neville Bamber. It is stretching the bounds of reality to suggest that Bonnet got the time wrong too and basically this kicks the idea that Neville called - straight out of the ball park (to coin an Americanism).

There are some Jeremy supporters who deny that it would have taken 4-5 minutes for Jeremy to convey the message and maintain it could have taken less than a minute.  I personally think it would have taken at least 2 minutes to convey all the things he did.  I can't see Jeremy stating it all and West being abel to write it down in under 2 minutes. 

Jeremy supporters also play fast and loose with their claims about Nevill's call.  Some suggest that Jeremy did not call until 3:36 and that Bonnett's 3:26 call was from Nevill.  They claim that Bonnett was told to lie and conceal this call was made so he altered his report to indicate the call was from West and attribute the remarks to Jeremy but in fact it was Nevill.

Sometimes they claim Nevill called West.  The only constant is that they have no actual proof and keep making allegations of a call despite having no foundation at all.  That makes it all the more laughable when a handfull of supporters claim it is a proven fact that Nevill phoned police.



 

[Caroline]

There are some Jeremy supporters who deny that it would have taken 4-5 minutes for Jeremy to convey the message and maintain it could have taken less than a minute.  I personally think it would have taken at least 2 minutes to convey all the things he did.  I can't see Jeremy stating it all and West being abel to write it down in under 2 minutes. 

Jeremy supporters also play fast and loose with their claims about Nevill's call.  Some suggest that Jeremy did not call until 3:36 and that Bonnett's 3:26 call was from Nevill.  They claim that Bonnett was told to lie and conceal this call was made so he altered his report to indicate the call was from West and attribute the remarks to Jeremy but in fact it was Nevill.

Sometimes they claim Nevill called West.  The only constant is that they have no actual proof and keep making allegations of a call despite having no foundation at all.  That makes it all the more laughable when a handfull of supporters claim it is a proven fact that Nevill phoned police.

Bonnet was a civilian and not bound by the same red tape as West 'might' have been. Nope for me this seals the deal, Bonnet's timings prove to me that Jeremy called much earlier than 03:36 and even argued as much until the other log was discovered in 2004. The two logs obviously refer to the same call so no call from Neville and no car sent to the scene before Jeremy called they were sent in response to his call and not an earlier call from Neville. That one time written on Bonnet's log, can't really be disputed because there would be no reason to have hidden a call from Neville in the beginning when Jeremy wasn't even a suspect and Taff would have mentioned it to the relatives IF it had occurred.

[scipio_usmc]

Bonnet was a civilian and not bound by the same red tape as West 'might' have been. Nope for me this seals the deal, Bonnet's timings prove to me that Jeremy called much earlier than 03:36 and even argued as much until the other log was discovered in 2004. The two logs obviously refer to the same call so no call from Neville and no car sent to the scene before Jeremy called they were sent in response to his call and not an earlier call from Neville. That one time written on Bonnet's log, can't really be disputed because there would be no reason to have hidden a call from Neville in the beginning when Jeremy wasn't even a suspect and Taff would have mentioned it to the relatives IF it had occurred.

The allegations are that Nevill either called West or Bonnett and the logs were altered after Jeremy became a suspect.  Naturally they have no evidence to prove such though just bare bones allegations they were altered to conceal a call from Nevill.

The burden of proof is on them to establish West and Bonnett lied and altered logs to conceal a call but they can't.

That alone is enough reason to ignore the claims because there is no evidence to rebut. 

If the claims were true there of course would be evidence and that evidence would be that there would be people who were aware of the call.  Had Nevill called before Jeremy then the police would have told Jeremy they already knew and were on the case.  Furthermore they would have told the family especially DCI Jones when he was trying to convince the family that Sheila did it.  It would have been mentioned in various reports and police notebooks there would be no way to simply alter the logs and that alone to make the evidence of such a call vanish.

This is why many Jeremy supporters have given up on the notion of a call from Nevill and do not make these allegations. Only the most desperate of supporters seems to do so .

[Caroline]

The allegations are that Nevill either called West or Bonnett and the logs were altered after Jeremy became a suspect.  Naturally they have no evidence to prove such though just bare bones allegations they were altered to conceal a call from Nevill.

The burden of proof is on them to establish West and Bonnett lied and altered logs to conceal a call but they can't.

That alone is enough reason to ignore the claims because there is no evidence to rebut. 

If the claims were true there of course would be evidence and that evidence would be that there would be people who were aware of the call.  Had Nevill called before Jeremy then the police would have told Jeremy they already knew and were on the case.  Furthermore they would have told the family especially DCI Jones when he was trying to convince the family that Sheila did it.  It would have been mentioned in various reports and police notebooks there would be no way to simply alter the logs and that alone to make the evidence of such a call vanish.

This is why many Jeremy supporters have given up on the notion of a call from Nevill and do not make these allegations. Only the most desperate of supporters seems to do so .

There is still no reason for Neville's call not to have been mentioned. In fact had one occurred, it would have been mentioned to Jeremy the following day There was no reason to keep it quiet but Bonnet's timings seal the deal.

[scipio_usmc]

There is still no reason for Neville's call not to have been mentioned. In fact had one occurred, it would have been mentioned to Jeremy the following day There was no reason to keep it quiet but Bonnet's timings seal the deal.

The fact no call was mentioned to Jeremy at the time of his call or to the family when they suggested Jeremy did it is the real coup de grace.  There would be no way that it would not have been mentioned or that DCI Jones to have allowed such a call to be erased from all memory and documentation. That alone makes the entire thing inconceivable.

[Caroline]

The fact no call was mentioned to Jeremy at the time of his call or to the family when they suggested Jeremy did it is the real coup de grace.  There would be no way that it would not have been mentioned or that DCI Jones to have allowed such a call to be erased from all memory and documentation. That alone makes the entire thing inconceivable.

Exactly - it didn't happen. Yesterday I said I couldn't be 100% certain that it didn't happen, today I can!

[guest7363]

Hello Justice how ya doing well I hope.  Caroline puts up some brilliant posts she is the main reason I changed my stance and harters of course .

Hi Susan, quite right both sensible posters as well as Maggie, April, and Alias even though we sometimes don't agree they talk sense?

[Adam]

What do you think? 

Why don't you tell me.

I asked the question as I did not know the answer.

[Adam]

Jeremy said he 'removed the magazine and the round up the breach'.

Does this mean there were no bullets in the rifle ?

[Caroline]

Jeremy said he 'removed the magazine and the round up the breach'.

Does this mean there were no bullets in the rifle ?

If that's what he did - then yes.

[Alias]

Okay thanks. It's not that big an area really is it. 

So the trailer wasn't far away.

Surprisingly small - I thought they had much more land!