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Offline Adam

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Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« on: August 02, 2014, 10:37:PM »
Jeremy started working on WHF in March 1984 (lots of 14/17 hour days)

Jeremy said Sheila hit her children but this was never reported ( until now).

The WS is mainly about Sheila.

Jeremy said he understood Sheila's problems (nutter, do lally, looney etc).

Jeremy spent one year in Australia. Then another three months in Australia & New Zealand (Generous parents).

Colin Caffell lost his job after the twins were born (perhaps Julie was right that Jeremy thought he would be doing Colin a favour).

Jeremy said there were discussions about Sheila taking over Jeremy's house ( I bet Jeremy would have loved that).

Jeremy said he had an amicable relationship with Sheila ( that's not what he told the police).

Jeremy said Sheila was non responsive when there were discussions about fostering (Andrew Hunter said there was a big row).

Jeremy said he fully loaded the magazine and breach. Then removed the magazine and breach ( does that mean Sheila had to load before firing the first shots).

Jeremy said he never saw Sheila  use a gun ( but he told the police she had).

On the massacre morning Jeremy said he arrived at WHF at 7.30am (meaning Jeremy arrived at WHF every morning, explaining the police phone call, which is better than being first on the scene). 

Jeremy said he last saw the family at 9.45pm. No one seemed distressed ( Sheila soon changed).

Jeremy said he immediately phoned the police after Neville phoned (Wrong. He got Neville's call at 3.10am but did not phone the police until 3.26am).

Jeremy said he phoned Julie to tell her 'something was wrong at the farm' (this corresponds with what Julie said. No mention of asking Julie for advice).

Jeremy said he phoned Julie at 3.25am (But the police received their call at 3.26am).



« Last Edit: August 28, 2014, 01:57:AM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2014, 11:12:PM »
Some interesting points:

Jeremy spent one year in Australia. Then another three months in Australia & New Zealand (Generous parents).

Colin Caffell lost his job after the twins were born (perhaps Julie was right that Jeremy thought he would be doing Colin a favour).

Jeremy said there were discussions about Sheila taking over Jeremy's house ( I bet Jeremy would have loved that).

Jeremy said he had an amicable relationship with Sheila ( that's not what he told the police).

Jeremy said he fully loaded the magazine and breach. Then removed the magazine and breach ( does that mean Sheila had to load before firing the first shots).

Jeremy said he never saw Sheila  use a gun ( but he told the police she had).

On the massacre morning Jeremy said he arrived at WHF at 7.30am (meaning Jeremy arrived at WHF every morning, explaining the police phone call, which is better than being first on the scene). 

Jeremy said he last saw the family at 9.45pm. No one seemed distressed.

Jeremy said he immediately phoned the police after Neville phoned (thought he looked in a phone book).

Jeremy said he phoned Julie to tell her 'something was wrong at the farm' (no mention of asking Julie for advice).
Biased as usual. ::)

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 08:46:AM »
Jeremy was unconvincing in court.

The judge repeatedly asking him to speak up. If he was innocent I thought he would be speaking up, confident in what he was saying.

His mask slipped after several hours of questioning when he said 'that is what you have to establish' when a prosecuting lawyer accused him of killing his family.

His Witness Statement is just as unconvincing.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 09:27:AM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 08:52:AM »
Jeremy's parents went from one extreme to the other.

At first bringing him up. Paying for his private education, and then financing 15 months of travelling.

Then suddenly stopping the financing and telling Jeremy he has to work on the farm for his money.

Jeremy was outraged and tried to go it alone. Reluctantly returning to the farm after realising it was his best option. Later telling Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away.

Sheila and the twins meanwhile were living rent free in London. Eating away at any potential inheritance.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 09:27:AM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2014, 08:58:AM »
Was Jeremy's cottage big enough for Sheila and the twins ?

If so there is a possibility Jeremy was going to be told to move out and return to WHF. That would really affect his womanising and increase his resentment.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 09:02:AM »
Jeremy told the police on the massacre night, Sheila was a 'nutter',  'looney', 'psychotic depressive' & said 'I don't like her and she does not like me'.

Years later he has also said he 'did not understand her illness'.

However his WS says he had an 'amicable relationship with Sheila'.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 09:06:AM »
In court Jeremy said Sheila was 'non responsive' when the alleged  fostering conversation took place. The judge repeated this in court.

His WS confirms this.

So why does Andrew Hunter say there was a blazing row about fostering on the night ?
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 09:07:AM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 09:09:AM »
If Jeremy unloaded the magazine and breach before leaving, Sheila would have to re load before firing her first round of bullets.

Maybe Neville and June did not notice.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2014, 09:13:AM »
On the night Jeremy was clearly insinuating Sheila was capable of firing a weapon.

Firstly telling them how mad she was, telling them about Neville's phone call and saying Sheila was experienced with guns.

However in court and in his WS he says he had never seen Sheila use a gun.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2014, 09:17:AM »
Jeremy said he arrived at WHF at 7.30am on the morning before the massacre.

This explains the 3.26am phone call to the police. His only other option after the massacre was to arrive at WHF in the morning and discover the bodies. Or if he can't gain access, ring someone. Either way he is first on the scene.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2014, 09:20:AM »
Jeremy said he immediately phoned the police after Neville called.

But he also says Neville's call was 3.10am. The police logged Jeremy's call at 3.26am. Sixteen minutes later.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2014, 09:26:AM »
It does seem strange that Jeremy would phone Julie just to say 'something is wrong at the farm'. He does not say he needed her advice or support.

It was 3.00am. The phone may not be answered for a long time. Or may not be answered at all. Julie would be half asleep and not able or willing to give a competent answer. It also wastes valuble time.

Julie's WS supports Jeremy's WS. Agreeing that he did say 'there is something wrong at the farm'. However she also says Jeremy said 'everything is going well'.

It all suggests Jeremy was ringing Julie up to boast.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 09:35:AM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2014, 09:28:AM »
Oh look,you've got a page to yourself. You must be thrilled  ::)

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2014, 09:39:AM »
Colin Caffell lost his job after the twins were born (perhaps Julie was right that Jeremy thought he would be doing Colin a favour).

What value is that quote?

First he carried out the murders because of greed?

Now your quoting the master of deception saying he carried out the murders to do Colin a favour

Adam get a life
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2014, 09:42:AM »
Jeremy said there were discussions about Sheila taking over Jeremy's house ( I bet Jeremy would have loved that).

Have you asked Jeremy about this?

How do you know what he would have loved?

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