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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2014, 09:42:AM »
Some interesting points:

Jeremy spent one year in Australia. Then another three months in Australia & New Zealand (Generous parents).

Colin Caffell lost his job after the twins were born (perhaps Julie was right that Jeremy thought he would be doing Colin a favour).

Jeremy said there were discussions about Sheila taking over Jeremy's house ( I bet Jeremy would have loved that).

Jeremy said he had an amicable relationship with Sheila ( that's not what he told the police).

Jeremy said Sheila was non responsive when there were discussions about fostering (Andrew Hunter said there was a big row).

Jeremy said he fully loaded the magazine and breach. Then removed the magazine and breach ( does that mean Sheila had to load before firing the first shots).

Jeremy said he never saw Sheila  use a gun ( but he told the police she had).

On the massacre morning Jeremy said he arrived at WHF at 7.30am (meaning Jeremy arrived at WHF every morning, explaining the police phone call, which is better than being first on the scene). 

Jeremy said he last saw the family at 9.45pm. No one seemed distressed ( Sheila soon changed).

Jeremy said he immediately phoned the police after Neville phoned (thought he looked in a phone book).

Jeremy said he phoned Julie to tell her 'something was wrong at the farm' (no mention of asking Julie for advice).

These aren't your words are they Adam?

Are they copied and pasted from somewhere?  ???
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2014, 09:43:AM »
Jeremy was unconvincing in court.

The judge repeatedly asking him to speak up. If he was innocent I thought he would be speaking up, confident in what he was saying.

His mask slipped after several hours of questioning when he said 'that is what you have to establish' when a prosecuting lawyer accused him of killing his family.

His Witness Statement is just as unconvincing.
Yet you and others are always saying he was cocky and confident? But now you're saying that if he was innocent he should be confident. Make up your mind if you are going to condemn him at least be consistent.

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2014, 09:43:AM »
The main reason he committed the massacre was to inherit what the judge said was a lot more than £436,000.

However there were lots of other supporting reasons. Thread already created. I will locate it for you. Although I have already posted it several times.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2014, 09:44:AM »
These aren't your words are they Adam?

Are they copied and pasted from somewhere?  ::)

These are my words. After reading Jeremy's WS.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2014, 09:45:AM »
These are my words. After reading Jeremy's WS.

Oh okay, makes a change lol  :D

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2014, 09:45:AM »
The main reason he committed the massacre was to inherit what the judge said was a lot more than £436,000.

However there were lots of other supporting reasons. Thread already created. I will locate it for you. Although I have already posted it several times.
He has never confirmed that. The most you can say is that it was his "alleged" motive. Just because the prosecution decided that was the motive that does not mean that it was.

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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2014, 09:46:AM »
Other motivations (apart from over £436,000) to commit the massacre:

ALREADY IN PRISON ON THE FARM:

Was it 14 or 17 hour days on the farm ? Either way long days. At court Jeremy said he had seen his fathers will which tied him to working on the farm until Neville died. 


BOARDING SCHOOL: 

Mary Mugford said Jeremy 'never forgave June for sending him to boarding school. 


THINGS WERE SLIPPING AWAY: 

Jeremy was 24. It was the 'loads of money' era. Jeremy wanted to be a rich playboy based in London. But told Julie he had 'too much to lose' by walking away. He had neither the talent or determination to make it alone. 

Mary Mugford said in court Jeremy had told her June was going to amend her will in favour of the twins. 


OPPORTUNITY: 

As the previous thread showed. There was an opportunity and ready made scapegoat. 


HATRED: 

People testified how Jeremy hated his parents. Julie testified how Jeremy said Sheila upset him when younger. 


RESENTMENT: 

Sheila was living rent & work free in London. And would have inherited as much as Jeremy when Neville/June deceased. But how many hours had she worked on the farm ? And how many hours would she put in after inheriting ? 


DOING EVERYONE A FAVOUR: 

Neville was apparently 'ready to be put to pasture', June was a 'religious maniac', Sheila needed being 'put out of her misery' & the twins were bound to be effected by all this. Even Colin would benefit as he would have more time to look for work without the burden of two children. 


PROVING JULIE WRONG, AND IMPRESSING HER:  

Julie obviously never believed Jeremy would do something so horrendous. Even on the night she dismissed him. On TV she said Jeremy used to 'say things to shock people'. 


STATUS, POWER, FAME: 

Jeremy would instantly obtain these. He offered a 'Sun' journalist his life story prior to being charged. 


TO SHOW HE COULD ACHIEVE SOMETHING: 

The perfect crime and frame. Jeremy was so proud. Ringing Julie on the night. Then telling her later but giving himself a proxy. He later boasted to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'. 


ON THE DAY: 

Spending 14, or was it 17 hours working on the farm. Watching Sheila & the twins strolling around on their free holiday. A rare opportunity with everyone at WHF. Julies dismissal. Maybe Jeremy had an argument at WHF that night. BW said there was always a strained atmosphere when Jeremy was present. 


THE CARAVAN BREAK IN: 

BW said June & Neville knew about this. Further damaging their relationship with Jeremy. Was it now beyond repair ? Jeremy and June had not spoken for years according to Mary Mugford. 


ADOPTION: 

Jeremy was not related by blood. He was adopted and then sent to boarding school. Before persuading his parents to finance some jaunts abroad. Now he was a farm labourer. Complaining about his adoptive parents interfering in his life. Parents he did not like. 


THE BUSINESS: 

AE says Jeremy and Neville had a blazing row just before the murders. Neville would always have the final say as Jeremy only had a small share. This would have frustrated the 'would be' business executive Jeremy. 
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2014, 09:48:AM »
He has never confirmed that. The most you can say is that it was his "alleged" motive. Just because the prosecution decided that was the motive that does not mean that it was.

Jeremy cannot confirm he committed the massacre for money. He has always said he is innocent.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2014, 09:52:AM »
Jeremy said he had an amicable relationship with Sheila ( that's not what he told the police).

It's quite obvious that Jeremy's relationship with Sheila changed according to her illness

It is well documented that Sheila had problems with friendships/relationships because of her illness
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2014, 09:52:AM »
Yet you and others are always saying he was cocky and confident? But now you're saying that if he was innocent he should be confident. Make up your mind if you are going to condemn him at least be consistent.





It's what is known as being cock-sure of yourself. I think we've all had that feeling at some time in our lives when we've known we were right. I know I have !! Arrogant too might I add because I was so sure that I'd done the right thing. Only problem is,you can stick your neck out a bit too much and upset those who've doubted what you've said. These are the ones who won't admit defeat no matter what.

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2014, 09:53:AM »
Yet you and others are always saying he was cocky and confident? But now you're saying that if he was innocent he should be confident. Make up your mind if you are going to condemn him at least be consistent.

He was cocky and confident and also unhelpful. Especially when being interviewed by the police. Thread created yesterday.

However standing up in a high court and confidently lying to everyone is a harder thing to do. He could also not afford to be cocky in front of a jury.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2014, 09:56:AM »
Jeremy told the police on the massacre night, Sheila was a 'nutter',  'looney', 'psychotic depressive' & said 'I don't like her and she does not like me'.

Years later he has also said he 'did not understand her illness'.

However his WS says he had an 'amicable relationship with Sheila'.
So who do you believe, the policeman who interviewed Bamber and said he told the he hated his sister? Or his own witness statement where he states that he got on well with her?
Question: Why would he lie about it anyway?
Question: If his official witness statement said he got on well with her. But a police officer said he told him the opposite, then who is most likely to be lying?

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2014, 09:56:AM »
Jeremy said he had an amicable relationship with Sheila ( that's not what he told the police).

It's quite obvious that Jeremy's relationship with Sheila changed according to her illness

It is well documented that Sheila had problems with friendships/relationships because of her illness

On the massacre night he called her -

A nutter.

A looney.

A psychotic depressive.

He also said 'I don't like her and she doesn't like me'.


Does not sound very amicable to me.
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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2014, 09:56:AM »
These aren't your words are they Adam?

Are they copied and pasted from somewhere?  ???





Of course they're copied and pasted Harters. There's nothing inside his brain except sawdust. :)

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Re: Jeremy's Witness Statement:
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2014, 10:00:AM »
So who do you believe, the policeman who interviewed Bamber and said he told the he hated his sister? Or his own witness statement where he states that he got on well with her?
Question: Why would he lie about it anyway?
Question: If his official witness statement said he got on well with her. But a police officer said he told him the opposite, then who is most likely to be lying?

So how did Jeremy manage to persuade the police on the massacre night Sheila was capable of committing the massacre ? Creating the siege situation.

The police have no reason to lie. Other people have also commented on Jeremy's resentment of Sheila.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.