Did Jeremy believe he would not be charged ?

[Adam]

Julie said Jeremy told her he was 'watertight' & it was an 'open and shut case'.

Jeremy's reaction on the night went from one extreme to the other. However he soon drove back to his cottage, made some breakfast, before giving a comprehensive interview to the police.

The ease and quickness in how Jeremy recovered from the massacre surprised many. Only at the funeral did he appear to show any emotion. Looking down with his hand over his face. Making a sort of groaning sound. The same sort of sound AE said he made when he first met her after the massacre.

It is quite possible Jeremy believed he would not be charged at all. He was right, for one month. Over confidence with Julie & a found silencer changed things. Jeremy arrested after returning from another holiday.

Being charged and it really is serious. A court hearing can go either way. A guilty verdict in such a serious crime and it's life imprisonment and no redemption from the public. A 'not guilty' verdict and there will still be doubters. Was it worth the risk ?

Do other people believe Jeremy was so sure he had devised the perfect plan, that he believed he would not be charged ?

Or do people believe Jeremy was so determined and prepared to risk being charged. A 'not guilty' plea, lack of witnesses and evidence ensuring he walked ?

[grahameb]

Julie said Jeremy told her he was 'watertight' & it was an 'open and shut case'.

Jeremy's reaction on the night went from one extreme to the other. However he soon drove back to his cottage, made some breakfast, before giving a comprehensive interview to the police.

The ease and quickness in how Jeremy recovered from the massacre surprised many. Only at the funeral did he appear to show any emotion. Looking down with his hand over his face. Making a sort of groaning sound. The same sort of sound AE said he made when he first met her after the massacre.

It is quite possible Jeremy believed he would not be charged at all. He was right, for one month. Over confidence with Julie & a found silencer changed things. Jeremy arrested after returning from another holiday.

Being charged and it really is serious. A court hearing can go either way. A guilty verdict in such a serious crime and it's life imprisonment and no redemption from the public. A 'not guilty' verdict and there will still be doubters. Was it worth the risk ?

Do other people believe Jeremy was so sure he had devised the perfect plan, that he believed he would not be charged ?

Or do people believe Jeremy was so determined and prepared to risk being charged. A 'not guilty' plea, lack of witnesses and evidence ensuring he walked ?

He said in a recent interview that it didn't even cross his mind that he would be found guilty.

[Jan]

No

I think he thought he would not be charged - because he did not do it .

I think by the time he got to court he was really Peed off with the police and how they had treated him and arrogantly (perhaps) thought they were the ones that would get their come uppance - by making themselves look like idiots.

Lets face it if the moderator evidence had not been re-visited they probably would have.

[Adam]

At least you're honest. Grahame says he is not a Jeremy supporter. He just believes there was a MOJ. Although I created a thread on the trial fairness. Nothing suspicious came up.

The evidence the police had, got through the DPP really quickly. The trial and appeals have all come to the same conclusion.

My view is Jeremy was confident enough in the situation to believe he would not be charged. The phone call to the police helped lead the police into a direction. He was nearly correct.

[scipio_usmc]

While it was recoded as watertight, I always thought the correct word for that thought was airtight or what today we call bulletproof.

At any rate, I think it rather obvious he didn't expect police to charge him let alone to be convicted.  He would not have done it if he didn't think he would be able to get away with it.

While most Jeremy supporters insist police were afte rhim immediately even in late August the statements show that police still considered it likely to be a case of murder suicide.  They had some suspicions they did not make known to Jeremy but that's it. 

Things drastically changed once the lab results were revealed and Vanezis re-evaluated things in light of all the evidence. Jeremy clearly did not anticipate that and thought he was home free.

But for those re-evaluations the case would probably have been settled as murder suicide merely.

If we take him at his word then even during trial he didn't appreciate the power of the evidence against him.   

[scipio_usmc]

He said in a recent interview that it didn't even cross his mind that he would be found guilty.

If we take him at his word this means he did not appreciate the significance of the evidence they had on him.

That in turn helps explain why he considered it a joke and played the stupid cat and mouse games he did like making them see him go in through the windows.

 

[susan]

Adam your post makes sense.

[Adam]

The kitchen fight did him no favours. That wasn't really a mistake as he managed to shoot Neville four times upstairs. But after the fight, there was no going back and he had to keep with the original plan.

[susan]

scipio/Grahame  I think Jeremy Bamber was very confident he was going to walk free this is why he adopted his stance of being so cocky and arrogant.

[Jan]

If we take him at his word this means he did not appreciate the significance of the evidence they had on him.

That in turn helps explain why he considered it a joke and played the stupid cat and mouse games he did like making them see him go in through the windows.

or he was innocent and did not see the relevance - especially as the police has confirmed themselves the house was secure - and he did leave a not to BW to lock the window - so he was not exactly hiding it was he.

[grahameb]

At least you're honest. Grahame says he is not a Jeremy supporter. He just believes there was a MOJ. Although I created a thread on the trial fairness. Nothing suspicious came up.

The evidence the police had, got through the DPP really quickly. The trial and appeals have all come to the same conclusion.

My view is Jeremy was confident enough in the situation to believe he would not be charged. The phone call to the police helped lead the police into a direction. He was nearly correct.

Adam If there is only one chance in a million that someone has suffered an moj I would still want to keep an open mind about them. This position has nothing to do as to whether I am a Bamber supporter or not. Not that I really care what a little pipsqueek like you or anyone else thinks. I believe in justice and if you really believe in justice then I suggest that you keep an open mind about it as well. Let us just be thankful that you yourself have not (as yet) been banged up for a crime you didn't commit. But I'm sure that if you were there would be people who would still care about you even in the face of those closed minded mockers who cannot see the wood for the trees.

[Adam]

scipio/Grahame  I think Jeremy Bamber was very confident he was going to walk free this is why he adopted his stance of being so cocky and arrogant.

He was confident he would not even be charged.

How often does a son massacre his family ? In Essex ? Never.

There was no sign of a force entry and Sheila was a ready made scapegoat.

Jeremy just needed to use his famous charm,  get friendly with the police and lead them in a direction.

[Jan]

He was confident he would not even be charged.

How often does a son massacre his family ? In Essex ? Never.

There was no sign of a force entry and Sheila was a ready made scapegoat.

Jeremy just needed to use his famous charm,  get friendly with the police and lead them in a direction.

so clever and yet so stupid ? if only he had not told Julie , in your eyes he would probably still be a free man.

So was he clever?  stupid? unlucky? arrogant ? charming? evil? or just misunderstood ?

When it boils down to it then the moderator is crucial - that is what got him jailed .

So to win your argument , instead of being sarcastic I suggest you become and expert on that because hearsay from witnesses that wanted him put away  for what ever reason is not enough.

[maggie]

so clever and yet so stupid ? if only he had not told Julie , in your eyes he would probably still be a free man.

So was he clever?  stupid? unlucky? arrogant ? charming? evil? or just misunderstood ?

When it boils down to it then the moderator is crucial - that is what got him jailed .

So to win your argument , instead of being sarcastic I suggest you become and expert on that because hearsay from witnesses that wanted him put away  for what ever reason is not enough.

I really would like to know  how a 'blob of jam' type blood could survive for 3 days including being put in a car and taken on a journey, actually the car drive doesn't even count as the blood would have deteriorated and flaked away anyway.  How was it possible that it survived?

[Adam]

so clever and yet so stupid ? if only he had not told Julie , in your eyes he would probably still be a free man.

So was he clever?  stupid? unlucky? arrogant ? charming? evil? or just misunderstood ?

When it boils down to it then the moderator is crucial - that is what got him jailed .

So to win your argument , instead of being sarcastic I suggest you become and expert on that because hearsay from witnesses that wanted him put away  for what ever reason is not enough.

Jeremy did say lots to Julie. As well as to other people. That was something he could not change.

Circumstantial, witness testimony is important, but would not be enough to get him charged. He believed there was no forensic evidence. However there was, not just the silencer.