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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #105 on: July 27, 2014, 08:20:PM »
They didn't stand to gain though, that is one of the myths,  the only reason anybody other than Pamela benefitted, is because Pamela refused to accept her portion of the Bamber estate and it filtered down.

they had a lot to gain they had a chance to get out of debt for start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YppVCocVbI

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« Reply #106 on: July 27, 2014, 08:24:PM »
they had a lot to gain they had a chance to get out of debt for start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YppVCocVbI

Propaganda nonsense.

Jeremy had a hearty meal.  ::)

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« Reply #107 on: July 27, 2014, 08:29:PM »


OK Let's leave Ann out of it. It sounds as if the police allowed POTENTIAL evidence to leave the SOC without doing a thorough check.

The police had control of the scene, they handed it over. As I mentioned to you a day or two ago, I think the buckets were located in a part of the house which appeared isolated from the  events that night/morning, but it's also possible and even likely that they were acknowledged and dismissed as no evidential value.

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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #108 on: July 27, 2014, 08:31:PM »
Ann had some very strong feelings about some land deal business, so strong that she tore down all wallpaper in a bathroom. Her words. She wasn´t indifferent exactly.

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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #109 on: July 27, 2014, 08:42:PM »
Propaganda nonsense.

Jeremy had a hearty meal.  ::)
So said two dodgy cops. ;)

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« Reply #110 on: July 27, 2014, 08:48:PM »
So said two dodgy cops. ;)
In any case many people act in very unusual ways after the death of someone close to them. I remember when my stepfather died in the middle of the night and my mother was alone I turned up in the morning and wanted to appear very strong and confident for my mother. I did and said many things that did not match my normal character. The police on the other hand judge every move and every word that "suspects" make. It is not far from a bite to eat to a hearty meal in their eyes. Then crime writers get hold of it and it becomes a banquet. Before you know where you are the "suspect" starts pinching stuff and selling it. And so the stories grow.

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« Reply #111 on: July 27, 2014, 08:53:PM »
In any case many people act in very unusual ways after the death of someone close to them. I remember when my stepfather died in the middle of the night and my mother was alone I turned up in the morning and wanted to appear very strong and confident for my mother. I did and said many things that did not match my normal character. The police on the other hand judge every move and every word that "suspects" make. It is not far from a bite to eat to a hearty meal in their eyes. Then crime writers get hold of it and it becomes a banquet. Before you know where you are the "suspect" starts pinching stuff and selling it. And so the stories grow.

There is all this talk about Jeremy going out for meals and travelling in the aftermath of the murders. Well, Colin did the exact same things: went out with friends, even to a jazz club shortly before the funeral of his sons. He also travelled.
In Jeremy´s case, it is a big deal and very negative. In Colin´s? No one even bothers to respond when I have mentioed that.
I think it is normal behaviour - both for Jeremy and for Colin, just want to make that clear.

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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #112 on: July 27, 2014, 08:57:PM »
There is all this talk about Jeremy going out for meals and travelling in the aftermath of the murders. Well, Colin did the exact same things: went out with friends, even to a jazz club shortly before the funeral of his sons. He also travelled.
In Jeremy´s case, it is a big deal and very negative. In Colin´s? No one even bothers to respond when I have mentioed that.
I think it is normal behaviour - both for Jeremy and for Colin, just want to make that clear.
The truth is people after they have lost loved ones do not know what to do to get them out of their minds. One should never use the strange ways of Bamber just after the murder of his family in order to bash him with it. To do so is cruel and unfeeling.

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« Reply #113 on: July 27, 2014, 08:59:PM »
It has been suggested several times, hasn´t it?
ANYWAY, and I am not saying that ANYBODY did ANYTHING to the silencer (apart from scraping off blood with a razor blade), the mere fact that the silencer was handled by people who stood to gain from a guilty verdict is problematic. That there were items from WHF in the house where the silencer was handled is additionally problematic.
I don´t think that silencer would be allowed into evidence in this day and age.

There are no rules of evidence in existence today that would prevent the moderator from reaching the jury.  No matte rhow many times you make the claim it will not transform your claim to magically true.

That argument is simply a copout since you have no way to actually challenge the evidence found in it. 

There is no way to argue with a straight face that the family had a source of Sheila's blood they could plant before turing it in to police on 8/12/85, would know that the fatal shot would result in drawback and thus plant the blood, would have known how to replicate spatter and did so instead of planting it by using a dropper or just pouring it in from a small vial. Since no one can seriously make this argumenet let alone produce any evidenc einstead the copout is used that we shoul djust dismiss it ANYWAY even though such would not have been possible.  It doesn't work that way in court and esepcially not in an informal setting like this.

Lots of peopel don't want to believe the moderator hevidence but have ZILCH by way of evidence to refute the moderator so are stuck with crappy arguments and wild unsupported claims to try to acocmplish what they would like to acocmplish which is to avoid the evidence though they have no evidence at all to refute it. 

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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #114 on: July 27, 2014, 09:05:PM »
The truth is people after they have lost loved ones do not know what to do to get them out of their minds. One should never use the strange ways of Bamber just after the murder of his family in order to bash him with it. To do so is cruel and unfeeling.
Agree Grahame, anyone who has suffered personal loss understands there are many different phases and behaviours during the greiving process. Some people feel they never really grieve properly particularly after the shock of sudden death.

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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2014, 09:06:PM »
The truth is people after they have lost loved ones do not know what to do to get them out of their minds. One should never use the strange ways of Bamber just after the murder of his family in order to bash him with it. To do so is cruel and unfeeling.

There are 3 truths:

1) People try to help their loved ones and need to be stopped by first responders who are more catious and rational

2) people who lose a loved one to murder want to know what happened and how

3) people who survive have survivor's guilt ESPECIALLY if they were partially repsonsible as the claims that Jeremy made woudl in fact make him.

Jeremy exhibited none of these things.

He called police well after he called Julie.

He only went to the scene because police requeste dhim to go

He made sure he drove as slow as dirt so police would reach the scene before him and pulled over upon seeing them coming.  It was a mile away yet he took more than 3 minutes to finally pull up behind police. 

He then lied and told police Sheila used all arms in the house especially the .22 he had claimed he left out.

He calmly showed no care for them at all.

The only time he showed any emotion was hours later when he forced himself to puke in what he told Julie was an act and Julie had know way to know he puked except because he told her.

He never ever exhibited any sorrow for leaving out the weapon let alone told anyone he felt responsible.  That is a big red flag. 

The man acted nothing at all like someone in his place would do and when you look at all the key evidence it is obvious why- he did it.

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« Reply #116 on: July 27, 2014, 09:10:PM »
There are 3 truths:

1) People try to help their loved ones and need to be stopped by first responders who are more catious and rational

2) people who lose a loved one to murder want to know what happened and how

3) people who survive have survivor's guilt ESPECIALLY if they were partially repsonsible as the claims that Jeremy made woudl in fact make him.

Jeremy exhibited none of these things.

He called police well after he called Julie.

He only went to the scene because police requeste dhim to go

He made sure he drove as slow as dirt so police would reach the scene before him and pulled over upon seeing them coming.  It was a mile away yet he took more than 3 minutes to finally pull up behind police. 

He then lied and told police Sheila used all arms in the house especially the .22 he had claimed he left out.

He calmly showed no care for them at all.

The only time he showed any emotion was hours later when he forced himself to puke in what he told Julie was an act and Julie had know way to know he puked except because he told her.

He never ever exhibited any sorrow for leaving out the weapon let alone told anyone he felt responsible.  That is a big red flag. 

The man acted nothing at all like someone in his place would do and when you look at all the key evidence it is obvious why- he did it.


So are you saying that unless someone conforms to your truths, they're guilty?

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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #117 on: July 27, 2014, 09:12:PM »
You really cannot know you are right scipio, everyone reacts differently to sudden death and shock can deaden all feeling for varying lengths of time. Many people suffer from PTSD because they never were able to express their grief, we are all different and there are no set rules imo.

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Re: Menstrual Blood
« Reply #118 on: July 27, 2014, 09:18:PM »
 Julie dyed her hair blonde after the trial so that nobody would recognise her !

How much was plastered everywhere when Jeremy dyed his hair just a shade darker than the norm ?
( made him look sinister and more evil than he was. In fact,in keeping with a " murderer " !

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« Reply #119 on: July 27, 2014, 09:19:PM »
Julie dyed her hair blonde after the trial so that nobody would recognise her !

How much was plastered everywhere when Jeremy dyed his hair just a shade darker than the norm ?
( made him look sinister and more evil than he was. In fact,in keeping with a " murderer " !

So I am a murderer, I have black hair.  :'(