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As Julie turns 50 this Summer it may be apposite to look back for a moment, to reminisce and reflect on the legacy of this notorious case of which Julie was so much a part. Of course none of us are the same as we were 29 years ago; we have all moved on in some part of our lives and so it is with Julie, now living in a smart Winnipeg suburb and seemingly the woman who has it all: a loving husband, two healthy children and a stratospheric rise up the ladder of the education profession to rank amongst one of the most highly paid in that sector today.

Yet it was not always the case for Julie, the product of a broken home and allegations of abuse within it,the one constant being the excellent free State education of a Northern town so often mocked by the London-based tabloid press, yet which gave Julie the escape route she needed and indeed the safety and security which it afforded her may well be the reason she chose to continue in that sphere when around her things looked less certain.

It may be worthwhile here to pause for a moment and take a look back at the Britain of the 1980s, a place which had broken with all economic policy pertaining since 1945 and which now championed the pursuit of individualism and the acquisition of wealth, as politicians told the workless people of the North to "get on their bike" and find work in the more prosperous areas. Many did follow this advice including Julie's family, and it was for this reason that Julie found herself at Colchester Sixth Form College amidst a more prosperous community. It's not hard to fathom that Julie must have realized she was comparatively lucky in the scheme of things as wages for those in work rose year on year and with student loans not yet introduced Julie must at this stage have been optimistic about her future as she secured a place at Goldsmith's University to train to become a teacher.

Yet there must always have been a doubt in Julie's mind as there was with many people, as the champagne flowed for some yet the Miner's Strike showed just how deeply the country was divided. Julie would have known instinctively which side she preferred to be on, as to be fair anyone in her place would(remember Sheila was quoted as saying "it's important to be in the right crowd"): if she kept her head down and worked hard (so we were constantly told) things would work out.

It was amid this background of the new work ethic that Julie met Jeremy Bamber, working as a casual barman at Sloppy Joe's restaurant in Colchester where she was a waitress. It's uncertain as to whether it was love at first sight, but they both seemed to be suited, with Julie as the brains of the outfit and Jeremy with the eye for a pretty girl and never so happy as when he had a cocktail shaker in his hands. In fact had this story worked out differently these two who met as Yuppies may now have been running a wine bar in a fashionable area of London and nobody would bat an eyelid as they ordered their Caipirinha and watched the world go by, as the owners made the transition from exuberant youth to comfortable middle age.

However there is no way to avoid the subsequent narrative because reader, this is no Mills and Boon paperback, but a tragedy worthy of the great stories of which Shakespeare himself took and reworked,with redolences of the troubled personage of a Hamlet, the bloodthirstiness of a Macbeth, or the miscommunication evoking a Romeo and Juliet, depending on your point of view.

A word about Jeremy here, though the thread for the most part concerns itself with Julie and her motivations. An adoptee at birth, Jeremy was sent to Gresham's School at eight years of age, an institution renowned for its Cadet Force and its links to the military. It served the children of the landed gentry of East Anglia, and though Jeremy's parents Nevill and June Bamber were very comfortably off they were not in that Premier League when it came to the pecking order in society to which wealth and privilege bought access. Jeremy survived his schooling- one might say he went through the motions without any distinction in particular, though any dirt which tabloid journalists might have wished subsequently to have dug up remained unforthcoming, Jeremy remaining through life rather squeamish if anything, which only adds to the conundrum of this story.

For those like myself who do still retain an empathy for Julie (though far more for Colin), it is only fair that we bear the onslaught of the Jeremy supporters who maintain amongst other things that Julie was an accomplice (yet if she is an accomplice Jeremy is not innocent) or was prepared at least to go along with his scheme of murdering five people for a family inheritance which would set them both up for life and remove the insecurity which had always surrounded her once and for all. Other diehard supporters assert that Julie's statements to Police are simply a pack of lies, extracted out of her by a combination of peer pressure, Police and relatives and that the Jeremy Bamber conviction was the price paid for Julie's extrication from all charges.

Julie's statement to Police is a combination of the mundane and the breathtakingly ghoulish, which could only too readily alienate her from any modicum of public sympathy. For example on Sheet 4 we are told by Julie:


"We were talking round the house and he stated that he would like to kill his parents. He said that he would have to kill Sheila and the twins as well. I asked him why as I could understand him talking about his parents like that not about Sheila and the twins."

Julie: how could you possibly know enough about the family in October 1984 to differentiate between any of the family members who were subsequently slain, how could you possibly argue for Sheila and the boys on this occasion and in the same breath condemn the parents to die, letting the whole matter slip from your train of thought on any following occasion, especially the night of Tuesday 5th August 1985 when your boyfriend telephoned you with the message: "It's tonight or never.." knowing that the power of life and death was in your hands? How could you see Jeremy kitted out in Williams and Griffin and buy yourself a black dress from Miss Selfridge and go through the charade of the funerals with a mass murderer on your arm and be content a few days later to have Jeremy move a settee into your new address, whilst outwardly maintaining your composure? You say in your statement that you wanted to make Jeremy happy: is this just a complete communications breakdown, or is there something more sinister behind it all?

"Julie is telling lots of lies" Jeremy tells us during his first interrogation by Police on Sunday 10 September 1985,yet won't elaborate on what these things are. Whilst Jeremy's personality is central to this case,(as all adoptees do not become mass murderers) one cannot help but think that he is holding back on information which may have incriminated Julie(whilst by definition incriminating himself),or maybe a woman's love for the picaresque villain is the all-consuming emotion which explains this case without need for further investigation. Were the social mores of the time such that money was the all-consuming god which showered power and status on people who deep down had no roots to fall back on, no backbone of character as Jeremy saw what religion had done to his mother and sister and vowed to steer a different course? Did the Winner Takes All philosophy triumph as some explored short cuts to the Thatcherism of the 1980s, except that in this case there were no winners, just a pile of corpses and some sad, lonely people as Jeremy played Theseus to Julie's Ariadne, yet the conclusive skein of wool which could unravel this mystery remains ever elusive, as Jeremy Bamber begins his 29th year of incarceration, where old sins cast long shadows.



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Re: Julie Raynor Mugford at 50: do old sins cast long shadows?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 02:16:PM »
Hello steve uk  bet you vote Labour ;D

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Re: Julie Raynor Mugford at 50: do old sins cast long shadows?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 03:08:PM »
 Steve,,that was some post,,which,by the way,doesn't give us an answer,but---------------nevertheless tells us that you too keep your cards close to your chest also. An excellent overall account.

I remember reading that JM's mum was very fond of Jeremy and he of her too as he used to call her " mum ". How he must have longed for a normal life,Sheila too,,from the oppressive confines of White House Farm and June with her religious mania.It must have been stifling.
My God,it wasn't Sheila who was the " nutter " !

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Re: Julie Raynor Mugford at 50: do old sins cast long shadows?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 03:20:PM »
 It's ALWAYS the quiet,unassuming ones !!

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 04:00:PM »
Steve,,that was some post,,which,by the way,doesn't give us an answer,but---------------nevertheless tells us that you too keep your cards close to your chest also. An excellent overall account.

I remember reading that JM's mum was very fond of Jeremy and he of her too as he used to call her " mum ". How he must have longed for a normal life,Sheila too,,from the oppressive confines of White House Farm and June with her religious mania.It must have been stifling.
My God,it wasn't Sheila who was the " nutter " !
Thanks lookout. It would be churlish of me not to want Julie Smerchanski to get on with her own life,but if you believe Jeremy totally innocent then the corollary is Julie lied. What we as a society do with Jeremy is another matter: some judicial systems like Saudi Arabia give the victims a say,and Colin is of the opinion Jeremy should never be released. Against this is the destruction of the human spirit which lifelong incarceration brings. A terrible dilemma for us all.

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Re: Julie Raynor Mugford at 50: do old sins cast long shadows?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 05:16:PM »
Thanks lookout. It would be churlish of me not to want Julie Smerchanski to get on with her own life,but if you believe Jeremy totally innocent then the corollary is Julie lied. What we as a society do with Jeremy is another matter: some judicial systems like Saudi Arabia give the victims a say,and Colin is of the opinion Jeremy should never be released. Against this is the destruction of the human spirit which lifelong incarceration brings. A terrible dilemma for us all.




I'm afraid Julie,in her infinite wisdom at the time,went along with the theory of there being safety in numbers as fingers pointed to Jeremy. She'd felt it her duty to be on the side of the relatives,,although if she'd have had anything about her at all,she'd have felt a pang of pity for the man who was being vilified by many.
I'll admit,it must have been a rotten position for her to have been in at the time after having been through so much in their relatively short courtship,,but at the same time,the thought of a " cash prize " at the end of it all,must have lightened the load a bit.
Whether it would have been a different story if they hadn't parted company,I don't know. That would have depended on how loyal a person she was at the time. £25,000,or Jeremy.

The witnesses for the prosecution were more or less forced to fabricate in order to see the case through and get a conviction at the end of it.
Anyone else other than Jeremy on the stand,would have kicked off at some of the twists and turns that were made during the trial. I just think it's a national disgrace that he was sent to prison for one of the most unfair trials of this century.

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Re: Julie Raynor Mugford at 50: do old sins cast long shadows?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 05:22:PM »
Thanks lookout. It would be churlish of me not to want Julie Smerchanski to get on with her own life,but if you believe Jeremy totally innocent then the corollary is Julie lied. What we as a society do with Jeremy is another matter: some judicial systems like Saudi Arabia give the victims a say,and Colin is of the opinion Jeremy should never be released. Against this is the destruction of the human spirit which lifelong incarceration brings. A terrible dilemma for us all.
I personally believe life imprisonment is inhumane. I used to believe in capital punishment. But there are some murderers who must never be released as they are just too sick to do so. I honestly do not know what the answer is. It seems a simply matter for some, for whom it is easy to say kill em all. I used to think like that, a life for a life etc. Until I understood what that Biblical verse actually meant. Which is exact no more than what is due. The verse is in fact telling us the exact opposite of how many interpret it to mean. eg: The natural thing with most is revenge upon someone who has wronged them. So you get some saying something like, "He beat my daughter up. I'll kill him for that". Or, "He stole my car, so I will burn his house down".

So that law was to prevent overkill if you like. It was an attempt to control one's natural tendency for revenge. In other words do not exact a punishment that is out of proportion with regards to the crime. But of course that rule has been misinterpreted by most down the years so that they take it as licence to kill that person who has killed another person.

But it is again my own belief that if JB is guilty then he must remain in prison. Although I think it right for the individuals who were directly affected by his alleged crime to forgive him if they have the strength to do so. Although if it were my family I'm not sure how I would react to him?

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 05:31:PM »
 I wouldn't go against my better judgement to say I'd forgive anyone,because I'm not of the mind to. If someone killed my family,I would want revenge and would never rest until I got it. Little things I can let slide,,but certainly nothing major.

I know it's better for the health to forgive,as usually,if you wait long enough,those who've wronged will come to a sticky end anyway. I've known that to happen over the years.
I'm an impetuous person by nature,so would rather strike while the iron's hot !

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 05:34:PM »
I think it would be possible for me to forgive the crime, in fact I know it would. But add on top of that the years of accusations that have been thrown the families way - then I think you are in a position where any kind of forgiveness it completely out of the question.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 05:59:PM »
I used to know a lady (I knew her as Mrs. Hugher) Her son worked at London airport as a  meteorologist. One night he was working alone in his office and a young man came in who was drugged up on something and shot him in the back of the head killing him instantly.
She wrote to the murderer who was sent to prison forgiving him. But it affected her immensely. I remember that she couldn't eat of drink anything after 6pm, Which was about the time her son was murdered.
But the law is different from personal feelings as it is meant to keep order in society. It has not got the luxury of who to forgive and who to convict. It must stick to ridged principles as laid down by government.

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I'm afraid Julie,in her infinite wisdom at the time,went along with the theory of there being safety in numbers as fingers pointed to Jeremy. She'd felt it her duty to be on the side of the relatives,,although if she'd have had anything about her at all,she'd have felt a pang of pity for the man who was being vilified by many.
I'll admit,it must have been a rotten position for her to have been in at the time after having been through so much in their relatively short courtship,,but at the same time,the thought of a " cash prize " at the end of it all,must have lightened the load a bit.
Whether it would have been a different story if they hadn't parted company,I don't know. That would have depended on how loyal a person she was at the time. £25,000,or Jeremy.

The witnesses for the prosecution were more or less forced to fabricate in order to see the case through and get a conviction at the end of it.
Anyone else other than Jeremy on the stand,would have kicked off at some of the twists and turns that were made during the trial. I just think it's a national disgrace that he was sent to prison for one of the most unfair trials of this century.
Sometimes love does fade as we see people in a different light due to happenstance,we see their bad qualities outweigh their good ones or we finally manage to get on their wavelength and don't like what we see. Julie thought she was being loyal and would stay loyal,she thought that love would conquer all but it wasn't enough as she closed the bedroom door and realized she had fallen in love with a monster,a man who worshipped money to the exclusion of all other,a man with whom she could not possibly bear children..

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2014, 06:20:PM »
..all this running through her mind as she awaited Jeremy's return with Brett that Saturday afternoon on the doorstep of Moreshead Mansions,never to have that key in her grasp. Was she bereft of her true love and wondering where her future lay,or did she think to herself "I helped you kill five people and this is how you repay me.."

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2014, 06:25:PM »
..or was it all just a terrible mistake,as a Julie desperate to cling onto her job ordered sleeping pills from the doctor,which Jeremy used to his advantage in a vain attempt to tie her into murder,along with the sequence of telephone calls which helped to sound her out as well as make her an accessory?

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2014, 06:26:PM »
Sometimes love does fade as we see people in a different light due to happenstance,we see their bad qualities outweigh their good ones or we finally manage to get on their wavelength and don't like what we see. Julie thought she was being loyal and would stay loyal,she thought that love would conquer all but it wasn't enough as she closed the bedroom door and realized she had fallen in love with a monster,a man who worshipped money to the exclusion of all other,a man with whom she could not possibly bear children..







It would also appear that it wasn't only he who " worshipped money ".
As for children,,I wouldn't be too sure if Jeremy was even capable of that,as for some unknown reason the woman he was living with had a couple of miscarriages,and it didn't seem to be anything to do with her as she already had children to her first marriage.

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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 06:30:PM »
"Julie became my girlfriend" Jeremy defiantly told a bemused DCI Jones and Bob Miller on 10 September,still unaware how much Julie had told,yet unprepared for the onslaught which was to ensue.