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Offline grahameb

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2014, 11:25:PM »
I am afraid it is just too much of a coincidence that Jeremy put his mothers bike in his car, and took it back to his home. Three days before the massacre.

It is circumstantial evidence.
It's guesswork on your part Adam. You are attaching something important to the bike because it fits in with your own scenario. If it didn't you would have no interest in it at all.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2014, 11:29:PM »
He was asked why hd did not phone nearby farm workers, relatives or 999.

Jeremy said 'it did no occur to him'.

The police also asked him why he phoned Julie.

Jeremy said 'no comment'.
I'm afraid what he said has absolutely no bearing on the matter at all. Different people do different things for different reasons. What does it prove just because he said no comment. It seemed like a stupid question even to me. Cops are like that. They have a special talent to piss people off.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2014, 11:30:PM »




No comment because he didn't want to appear to be a wally phoning his girlfriend for advice !

But Julie said he did not ask for advice.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2014, 11:32:PM »
But Julie said he did not ask for advice.
But she gave it all the same, "Go back to bed" she said.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2014, 11:38:PM »
 Nothing circumstantial about the log regarding what Insp.Norman wrote :

 Ref. Firearms incident.
 Following Update.

 1 ( one ) dead male
 1 ( one ) dead female found on entry to premises.

 Request 1-Soco to attend.
              2-Ch.supt.Divisional to attend ( on way )
              3-Divisional DCI to attend.
              4-Police surgeon to attend.
              5-Coroners Officer informed only.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2014, 11:43:PM »
 The above was logged at 07.38  on 7/8/85 by officer 3219.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2014, 11:57:PM »
Nothing circumstantial about the log regarding what Insp.Norman wrote :

 Ref. Firearms incident.
 Following Update.

 1 ( one ) dead male
 1 ( one ) dead female found on entry to premises.

 Request 1-Soco to attend.
              2-Ch.supt.Divisional to attend ( on way )
              3-Divisional DCI to attend.
              4-Police surgeon to attend.
              5-Coroners Officer informed only.
I find it rather intriguing as to why certain persons on the forum see themselves as very intelligent, yet ignore things like this. Rather believing the revised versions put out by the police. Now me possessing an enquiring nature am not satisfied with such pat answers, but would rather question these things until they give up the truth of the matter. There are just too many so called mistakes like this to be true.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2014, 12:06:AM »
He was asked why hd did not phone nearby farm workers, relatives or 999.

Jeremy said 'it did no occur to him'.

The police also asked him why he phoned Julie.

Jeremy said 'no comment'.

At various times he said various things.  At trial he suggested he didn't call police right away or 999 because at first he didn't think the matter was too serious but after he thought about it a while then he decided it was serious so better phone police but he didn't know 999 would get a faster result.

Jeremy getting a gun out to shoot rabbits that had no moderator or scope makes no sense for a variety of reasons

Leaving the gun and bullets in the kitchen makes no sense

Nevill or June seeing the gun in the kitchen and leaving it there makes no sense

If Sheila actually had a gun on Nevill:

Nevill calling Jeremy makes no sense

Jeremy recieving such a call and phoning Julie makes no sense

Jeremy asking police to pick him up makes no sense and then waiting on the side of the road for them to pass and after 3 minutes go by to get back on the road and pull up to the cops makes no sense

Jeremy's actions only make sense if he is the killer and make sense as follows:

1) to lie and say he left the gun out to pretend Sheila would have had a weapon of opportunity to grab because: 1) she would not be liekly to go to the closet to get a gun herself 2) if she was seen loading the magazine then the gun would have been taken away so pretending she had a weapon of opportunity with a loaded magazine nearby was essential to try to sell his story

2) the Call from Nevill made up for 2 reasons 1) to frame Sheila 2) create an alibi of sorts pretending he was home at the time of the murders

3) to try to pretend that the call actually happened and that he did in fact receive it at home not merely call police from WHF and then walk outside and pretend he just drove there and thus try to document his alibi he did 2 things he 1) called Julie so he could say I really did receive a call I phoned Julie to tell her about it you can even ask her about it and 2) asked police to pick him up so they could establish he had been at home then when that failed waited in the side of the road for them to pass by so they could see him pull up several minites after him so they could say he arrived after so must have been at home like he claims.  His second call to Julie was to tell her not to go to work so that police could question her and she could support his acocunt that he claimed Nevill had called.

If he didn't think it was that serious why would he call Julie?  If he did think it was serious then he still would have had no reason to call Julie.  He had no reason at all to call Julie, make sure police go by or do
other things he did like lie about Sheila having fired every gun in the house.  Everything was calculated to give him an alibi of sorts and to frame Sheila.


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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2014, 12:06:AM »
 At 08.10 -house now been thoroughly searched by firearms team.
 Now confirmed a further 3 bodies found.Five dead in total ( info from Duty Insp.HIQR )

 So------------do dead bodies move,or what ? As after it was stated that only Neville was found in the kitchen,,but it failed to mention ON ENTRY.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2014, 12:09:AM »
But she gave it all the same, "Go back to bed" she said.

Good advice at 3am.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2014, 01:23:AM »
At 08.10 -house now been thoroughly searched by firearms team.
 Now confirmed a further 3 bodies found.Five dead in total ( info from Duty Insp.HIQR )

 So------------do dead bodies move,or what ? As after it was stated that only Neville was found in the kitchen,,but it failed to mention ON ENTRY.

June's body was found shortly after Nevill's using a periscope.  Later they found Sheila and the 3 boys. 
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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2014, 10:35:AM »
But Julie said he did not ask for advice.





He did too. He asked if he should phone the police-------which he did after JM didn't appear interested !

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2014, 11:18:AM »
June's body was found shortly after Nevill's using a periscope.  Later they found Sheila and the 3 boys.
Why, was he in a submarine? ::)

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2014, 11:46:AM »
 He's having a laugh isn't he ? Periscope ? Wet suit,flippers,submabicycle ? Goggles in case of blood spatter ?

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Re: What time did everyone die if it was Jeremy ?
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2014, 09:12:PM »
Why, was he in a submarine? ::)

The armed officers looked in the hall and open rooms from the stairs using a periscope so that they were prepared for what to encounter when they went upstairs.
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